Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Silence is best. Thank you. Richard , " upadesa " <maunna wrote: > > " Richard Clarke " <richard@> wrote: > > > > Perhaps Arunachala will chose to work in some other way. > > > > " The Ordainer controls the fate of souls in accordance to their > prarabdhakarma. > Whatever us destined not to happen will not happen, try as you may. > Whatever is detined to happen will happen, do what you may to prevent > it. > This is certain. The best course, therefore, is to remain silent. " > > Yours in Bhagavan, > Mouna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 The dangers I have been told of include the revocation of our visas, and potentially physical harm. I have now received even more warnings, some of them quite dire. , Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote: > > I respect your understanding of these matters Richard. > One piece of input if I may. What possible danger could there be from these " powerful interests " > and are you certain that Ramana wants you to abandon your efforts to stop this? > Thank you for reading, > In Ramana, > Rafael > > > > > ________________________________ > Richard Clarke <richard > > Monday, July 20, 2009 5:22:47 AM > Re: Arunachala under attack! > > > I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, " Let Arunachala do its work. " I guess this is what I will do. > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > , " Richard Clarke " <richard@ > wrote: > > > > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late.. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > > > Here is the post. > > > > http://richardaruna chala..wordpress. com/2009/ 07/20/arunachala -under-attack/ > > > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai? ) that can take leadership? > > > > Om Arunachala, > > Richard > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Der Mouna, I agree- I withdraw the word 'should' and add 'in my opinion, if I was Richard I would inform Sri Sundaram, and leave the matter with him'. Thanks for the correction. All best wishes and love, Yours in His Grace, Alan--- On Mon, 20/7/09, upadesa <maunna wrote: upadesa <maunna Re: Arunachala under attack! Date: Monday, 20 July, 2009, 7:27 PM Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:> On a practical level I think Richard should tell the President ofRamanasramam what he knows and leave it to him. The Ashram have handledsimilar cases in the past successfully, and have a great deal of localinfluence.Dear Alan,As you know I have the greatest respect for you, so.. with due respect,and although I may or may not agree with you at the "practical level" ofwhat need to be done, I think the word "should" was unnecessary in thiscontext. I believe the readers and writers of these posts, we are matureenough to take our own decisions.Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > I agree- I withdraw the word 'should' and add 'in my opinion, if I was Richard I would inform Sri Sundaram, and leave the matter with him'. Thanks for the correction.Dear All,I just want to say openly that every day I learn from real humble acts like this, were is very clear that Ego has been subdued (or destroyed...) because and under the guidance of a Higher Principle.Thanks Alan for being so consistently You.Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I will inform Sri Sundaram. Thanks. Om Arunachala, Richard , " upadesa " <maunna wrote: > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > I agree- I withdraw the word 'should' and add 'in my opinion, if I > was Richard I would inform Sri Sundaram, and leave the matter with him'. > Thanks for the correction. > > Dear All, > > I just want to say openly that every day I learn from real humble acts > like this, were is very clear that Ego has been subdued (or > destroyed...) because and under the guidance of a Higher Principle. > > Thanks Alan for being so consistently You. > > Yours in Bhagavan, > Mouna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I informed Sri Sundaram. He suggested that a visitor, with a number of people, to the Collector is what is needed. He says that Ramanasramam has little influence with the politicians. they think when Ramanasramam gets involved that somehow Ramanasramam wants more property ownership, and they do not understand that Ramanasramam is only motivated by what is good for the Ramana devotees. I still am looking for an Indian person, hopefully here in Tiruvannamalai, who can lead such a visit. I am happy to play a supporting role, but do not want to be the lead, given what I have been told repeatedly are personal risks to me. Is there someone who can play a lead role in such a meeting? Om Arunachala, Richard , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > I will inform Sri Sundaram. Thanks. > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > > , " upadesa " <maunna@> wrote: > > > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > > I agree- I withdraw the word 'should' and add 'in my opinion, if I > > was Richard I would inform Sri Sundaram, and leave the matter with him'. > > Thanks for the correction. > > > > Dear All, > > > > I just want to say openly that every day I learn from real humble acts > > like this, were is very clear that Ego has been subdued (or > > destroyed...) because and under the guidance of a Higher Principle. > > > > Thanks Alan for being so consistently You. > > > > Yours in Bhagavan, > > Mouna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Hello Richard Thankyou very much for what you do. Will you also be taking a written letter or such with you? I ask because one could think collectively about that here? I also think that Arunachala is not just a meaningful symbol and other things just for Ramana devotees, although it is tat and much more to them. Ramana, I read somewhere wanted no followers or any Guru status, he just loved everything and hos open love for everything was expressed in this great love for Arunachala. It too some might be a symbol of hope that India will develop in spiritual and other ways. Since, Arunachala through (and before) this love of Ramana became a public possession of the world, only its afeguarding can be done, and perhaps the Ashram graciously accepts safeguarding. If someone safeguards, it cannot be called possession. It is opening its possession to all. Why is it not right for houses to be built there? To preserve the sanctity. An analog perhaps is the region around Rishi Valley School. It has now entered the list of sites to be historically preserved. Secondly, I am not sure if this is also analogous, however, the hills around Rishi Valley are very very peaceful. The story is that there has never been war there. Bloodshed of war has not occurred there. Just as the world needs development to eat and live comfortably, the world needs peace to develop and not become completely crazy in this " developing " world. Hence the President of Ramanasram protects a very important landmark. Thanks very much Vrunda , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > I informed Sri Sundaram. He suggested that a visitor, with a number of people, to the Collector is what is needed. He says that Ramanasramam has little influence with the politicians. they think when Ramanasramam gets involved that somehow Ramanasramam wants more property ownership, and they do not understand that Ramanasramam is only motivated by what is good for the Ramana devotees. > > I still am looking for an Indian person, hopefully here in Tiruvannamalai, who can lead such a visit. I am happy to play a supporting role, but do not want to be the lead, given what I have been told repeatedly are personal risks to me. > > Is there someone who can play a lead role in such a meeting? > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > > , " Richard Clarke " <richard@> wrote: > > > > I will inform Sri Sundaram. Thanks. > > > > Om Arunachala, > > Richard > > > > , " upadesa " <maunna@> wrote: > > > > > > Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > > > > I agree- I withdraw the word 'should' and add 'in my opinion, if I > > > was Richard I would inform Sri Sundaram, and leave the matter with him'. > > > Thanks for the correction. > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I just want to say openly that every day I learn from real humble acts > > > like this, were is very clear that Ego has been subdued (or > > > destroyed...) because and under the guidance of a Higher Principle. > > > > > > Thanks Alan for being so consistently You. > > > > > > Yours in Bhagavan, > > > Mouna > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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