Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Thank you Richard. This was a wonderful presentation of an inspiring event. I appreciate all the care that went into presenting it so simply and intelligently. Richard Clarke <richard Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:39:47 AM Village Family Puja near Tiruvannamalai This post shows an annual family puja done at a village Muniswarar shrine. These rites are ancient Tamil Nadu customs. http://richardaruna chala.wordpress. com/2009/ 07/28/family- puja-at-nadanant hal-village- near-tiruvannama lai/Enjoy,Om Arunachala,Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 This post shows an annual family puja done at a village Muniswarar shrine. These rites are ancient Tamil Nadu customs. http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/family-puja-at-nadananthal-vil\ lage-near-tiruvannamalai/ Enjoy, Om Arunachala, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > Village Family Puja near Tiruvannamalai > This post shows an annual family puja done at a village Muniswarar shrine. These rites are ancient Tamil Nadu customs. > Dear Richard, Namaste. Not very sattvic these " ancient Tamil Nadu customs " , since they don't take into account " ahimsa " (your reference about the sacrifice of a goat and a pig, plus the " chicken byriani " ). I don't still understand why you send a posting like this to this sangha, devoted to Bhagavan Ramana, whose love for animals was unsurpassed. No problem in reporting Indian Folk for westerners, but al least have the awareness (and taste) as where are you sending these sensitive reports to. Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Mouna, As a thirty year vegitarrean, I can relate to your sentiments. But the spirit in which Richard presented this has no fault in it. In my humble opinion.. Rafael upadesa <maunna Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:17:50 PM Re: Village Family Puja near Tiruvannamalai "Richard Clarke" <richard > wrote:>> Village Family Puja near Tiruvannamalai> This post shows an annual family puja done at a village Muniswararshrine. These rites are ancient Tamil Nadu customs.>Dear Richard, Namaste.Not very sattvic these "ancient Tamil Nadu customs", since they don'ttake into account "ahimsa" (your reference about the sacrifice of a goatand a pig, plus the "chicken byriani").I don't still understand why you send a posting like this to thissangha, devoted to Bhagavan Ramana, whose love for animals wasunsurpassed.No problem in reporting Indian Folk for westerners, but al least havethe awareness (and taste) as where are you sending these sensitivereports to.Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote: > > Mouna, > > As a thirty year vegitarrean, I can relate to your sentiments. > But the spirit in which Richard presented this has no fault in it. In my humble opinion. > > Rafael Dear Rafael: The question would be: would you present a slideshow with these photos and commentaries ( " animal sacrificies " and " proud chicken byriani cooks " ) at Ramanashramam? It will be a little off, don't you think? I pretty much equate the same energy within this sangha (HarshSatsangh) that the one existing at Ramanashramam, at least is what I feel. That's why my commentary that a posting like that lacks emotional awareness of who you are dealing with. Also, it's not the first time it happens... Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Mouna, I understand and accept where you speak from on the matter. If I may, I would just like to understand more fully. I am not trying to convince you or myself of a postion. Just digging a bit deeper into a relevant topic. To your knowledge, did Ramana ever comment on the local customs and traditions, or try to change them, or make any judgement of them. To my knowledge, Ramana just lived the life, was the demonstration, set the example, but never entered into the "worlds" activities with concern. But as far as what we bring to this forum and what we focus on, yes I completely agree. I had this discussion with Michael offline, where I asked him not to post swine flu messages, but ultimately, I had to yield in trust that this is what our Beloved Guru allows him to do. So if Ramana allows someone to do something, who am I to judge? I hope this was written without any instigation, or argumentative stance. I am in a gentle space, and do not seek to instigate. We can all learn more about how we take stances in anything but Eternal Self, and with Ramana's Grace, we can learn to never forget this. Rafael upadesa <maunna Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:06:23 PM Re: Village Family Puja near Tiruvannamalai Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote:>> Mouna,>> As a thirty year vegitarrean, I can relate to your sentiments.> But the spirit in which Richard presented this has no fault in it. Inmy humble opinion.>> RafaelDear Rafael:The question would be: would you present a slideshow with these photosand commentaries ("animal sacrificies" and "proud chicken byrianicooks") at Ramanashramam?It will be a little off, don't you think?I pretty much equate the same energy within this sangha (HarshSatsangh)that the one existing at Ramanashramam, at least is what I feel. That'swhy my commentary that a posting like that lacks emotional awareness ofwho you are dealing with.Also, it's not the first time it happens...Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote: > > To your knowledge, did Ramana ever comment on the local customs and traditions, or try to change them, or make any judgement of them. To my knowledge, Ramana just lived the life, was the demonstration, set the example, but never entered into the " worlds " activities with concern. Dear Rafael, The point is well taken. Bhagavan did sometimes made commentaries about " wordly matters " but always as an impartial observer. At the same time, it was his gentle nature to act the way he acted, besides the fact that he was a Jnani. If you take Nisargadatta for example, another Jnani, you have a completely different picture. A highly temperamental personality, screaming people out of his teaching room. Both were " themselves " . A lot is about behavior, and behavior is only body/mind involved and its features. It is interesting thing to note, I was once in contact with a dear friend who was an astrologer and also interested in spiritual matters who told me that many of jnanis " astrological charts " were clear depictions of their behavior. In her own words, Bhagavan's chart was all about " space " and gentleness, and someone like Osho (in the past she was an Osho follower) was all about movement and complex patterns. The astrological charts have nothing to do with Realization. Even if Self-Realization attenuates (or enhances) some of the personality features, it won't alter the fundamental construction of the body/mind, and moreover, it may reveal it further. Sorry I deviate from your point a little. My observation was strictly a question of how to being tuned with our surroundings. I'm pretty sure also that Richard took it (if he read it at all) in that spirit, as a simple observation and not a judgement. Besides, he is doing a great job with all his reporting from Tiru. Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Mouna-ji has a good point. Things which are not appropriate at Sri Raman ashram are not appropriate here. Richard-ji, this issue came up before also last year when you posted the pictures of the goat sacrificed and so on. While such articles have cultural value, this is not the place to post them. One of the reasons I suggested that you start your own blog was so you could post anything you wanted on it. Please take into account what Mouna-ji is saying. He is expressing the views of other devotees as well, many who may keep silent. Thank you. Namaste and love to all Harsha On Behalf Of upadesa Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:09 AM Re: Village Family Puja near Tiruvannamalai Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote: > > To your knowledge, did Ramana ever comment on the local customs and traditions, or try to change them, or make any judgement of them. To my knowledge, Ramana just lived the life, was the demonstration, set the example, but never entered into the " worlds " activities with concern. Dear Rafael, The point is well taken. Bhagavan did sometimes made commentaries about " wordly matters " but always as an impartial observer. At the same time, it was his gentle nature to act the way he acted, besides the fact that he was a Jnani. If you take Nisargadatta for example, another Jnani, you have a completely different picture. A highly temperamental personality, screaming people out of his teaching room. Both were " themselves " . A lot is about behavior, and behavior is only body/mind involved and its features. It is interesting thing to note, I was once in contact with a dear friend who was an astrologer and also interested in spiritual matters who told me that many of jnanis " astrological charts " were clear depictions of their behavior. In her own words, Bhagavan's chart was all about " space " and gentleness, and someone like Osho (in the past she was an Osho follower) was all about movement and complex patterns. The astrological charts have nothing to do with Realization. Even if Self-Realization attenuates (or enhances) some of the personality features, it won't alter the fundamental construction of the body/mind, and moreover, it may reveal it further. Sorry I deviate from your point a little. My observation was strictly a question of how to being tuned with our surroundings. I'm pretty sure also that Richard took it (if he read it at all) in that spirit, as a simple observation and not a judgement. Besides, he is doing a great job with all his reporting from Tiru. Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna --- is supported by . New articles are added there on a continuous basis. Please register at . You will be kept updated and get the new articles which are posted on the site very nicely formatted in your e-mail. Friends, after registering at , if you wish to contribute your writing to the site, please let me know. Your articles should be original, well written, using subtitles, and be carefully proofread and polished. For a list of topics considered, please go to and take a look at the site. Thanks. Namaste and love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Thank you for meeting this with such openness and intelligence... I have no case... I know nothing of nisargadatta being a Jnani but for the record I'd like to say Osho is not worth even considering as a Jnani even if he is one... I only look at Ramana, and have no interest in nisargadatta's demonstration, whatever it is... i have looked at Osho, and he is a disraction from staying in Heart of Ramana... that is not meant to challenge anyone, just honest expression... to stay in humility and devotion to Ramana is all that interests this one let the Osho people have Osho, and the nisargadatta people have him...it is of no consequence to this one But again thank you Mouna for your demonstration of complete disinterest in disagreeance or unnessciary argument... I feel respected and feel respect for you... R upadesa <maunna Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:08:37 AM Re: Village Family Puja near Tiruvannamalai Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote:>> To your knowledge, did Ramana ever comment on the local customs andtraditions, or try to change them, or make any judgement of them. To myknowledge, Ramana just lived the life, was the demonstration, set theexample, but never entered into the "worlds" activities with concern.Dear Rafael,The point is well taken.Bhagavan did sometimes made commentaries about "wordly matters" butalways as an impartial observer.At the same time, it was his gentle nature to act the way he acted,besides the fact that he was a Jnani.If you take Nisargadatta for example, another Jnani, you have acompletely different picture. A highly temperamental personality,screaming people out of his teaching room.Both were "themselves" .A lot is about behavior, and behavior is only body/mind involved and itsfeatures..It is interesting thing to note, I was once in contact with a dearfriend who was an astrologer and also interested in spiritual matterswho told me that many of jnanis "astrological charts" were cleardepictions of their behavior. In her own words, Bhagavan's chart was allabout "space" and gentleness, and someone like Osho (in the past she wasan Osho follower) was all about movement and complex patterns. Theastrological charts have nothing to do with Realization.Even if Self-Realization attenuates (or enhances) some of thepersonality features, it won't alter the fundamental construction of thebody/mind, and moreover, it may reveal it further.Sorry I deviate from your point a little.My observation was strictly a question of how to being tuned with oursurroundings.I'm pretty sure also that Richard took it (if he read it at all) in thatspirit, as a simple observation and not a judgement.Besides, he is doing a great job with all his reporting from Tiru.Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 yosy, heard and understood we know we need not bother to even look at anyone but Ramana that is our blessing all of us here meeting in love of Ramana our Beloved Master Yosy Flug <yosyflug Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:08:23 PMRe: Re: Village Family Puja near Tiruvannamalai Rafe Stoneman wrote:> > Thank you for meeting this with such openness and intelligence. .. I > have no case...> > I know nothing of nisargadatta being a Jnani> but for the record I'd like to say Osho is not worth even considering > as a Jnani even if he is one...> > I only look at Ramana, and have no interest in nisargadatta' s > demonstration, whatever it is... i have looked at Osho, and he is a > disraction from staying in Heart of Ramana... that is not meant to > challenge anyone, just honest expression.. .> to stay in humility and devotion to Ramana is all that interests this one> let the Osho people have Osho, and the nisargadatta people have > him...it is of no consequence to this one> > But again thank you Mouna for your demonstration of complete > disinterest in disagreeance or unnessciary argument... I feel > respected and feel respect for you...> > R:) thank you, friend. and having met this spiritual fart, acharia rajneesh (inpoona in 1977), face to face, when he was calling himself "bhagwan" (beforehe usurped the title "osho"), i concur your observation.i do not intend to waste any more words on this dead charlatan. and as for hisfollowers (he called them "neo-sanyasins lol) - everyone gets whatever theydeserve.jai ramana!respectfully,yosynnb>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> ** upadesa <maunna (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> *To:* > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:08:37 AM> *Subject:* Re: Village Family Puja near > Tiruvannamalai>> >> Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote:> >> > To your knowledge, did Ramana ever comment on the local customs and> traditions, or try to change them, or make any judgement of them. To my> knowledge, Ramana just lived the life, was the demonstration, set the> example, but never entered into the "worlds" activities with concern.>> Dear Rafael,>> The point is well taken.> Bhagavan did sometimes made commentaries about "wordly matters" but> always as an impartial observer.> At the same time, it was his gentle nature to act the way he acted,> besides the fact that he was a Jnani.> If you take Nisargadatta for example, another Jnani, you have a> completely different picture. A highly temperamental personality,> screaming people out of his teaching room.> Both were "themselves" .>> A lot is about behavior, and behavior is only body/mind involved and its> features..> It is interesting thing to note, I was once in contact with a dear> friend who was an astrologer and also interested in spiritual matters> who told me that many of jnanis "astrological charts" were clear> depictions of their behavior. In her own words, Bhagavan's chart was all> about "space" and gentleness, and someone like Osho (in the past she was> an Osho follower) was all about movement and complex patterns. The> astrological charts have nothing to do with Realization.>> Even if Self-Realization attenuates (or enhances) some of the> personality features, it won't alter the fundamental construction of the> body/mind, and moreover, it may reveal it further.>> Sorry I deviate from your point a little.>> My observation was strictly a question of how to being tuned with our> surroundings.> I'm pretty sure also that Richard took it (if he read it at all) in that> spirit, as a simple observation and not a judgement.> Besides, he is doing a great job with all his reporting from Tiru.>> Yours in Bhagavan,> Mouna>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Yosy Flug <yosyflug wrote: >...and having met this spiritual fart,... > ...on this dead charlatan... Dear Yosy, Namaste Besides the fact that you could be right or wrong (actually I never met this man nor I know much about him) you seem to carry still an account towards him... even after 30 years. Heavy burden some accounts... better to lighten up so the air-balloon can fly away... Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Rafe Stoneman wrote: > > Thank you for meeting this with such openness and intelligence... I > have no case... > > I know nothing of nisargadatta being a Jnani > but for the record I'd like to say Osho is not worth even considering > as a Jnani even if he is one... > > I only look at Ramana, and have no interest in nisargadatta's > demonstration, whatever it is... i have looked at Osho, and he is a > disraction from staying in Heart of Ramana... that is not meant to > challenge anyone, just honest expression... > to stay in humility and devotion to Ramana is all that interests this one > let the Osho people have Osho, and the nisargadatta people have > him...it is of no consequence to this one > > But again thank you Mouna for your demonstration of complete > disinterest in disagreeance or unnessciary argument... I feel > respected and feel respect for you... > > R thank you, friend. and having met this spiritual fart, acharia rajneesh (in poona in 1977), face to face, when he was calling himself " bhagwan " (before he usurped the title " osho " ), i concur your observation. i do not intend to waste any more words on this dead charlatan. and as for his followers (he called them " neo-sanyasins lol) - everyone gets whatever they deserve. jai ramana! respectfully, yosy nnb > > ------ > ** upadesa <maunna > *To:* > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:08:37 AM > *Subject:* Re: Village Family Puja near > Tiruvannamalai > > > > Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman@ ...> wrote: > > > > To your knowledge, did Ramana ever comment on the local customs and > traditions, or try to change them, or make any judgement of them. To my > knowledge, Ramana just lived the life, was the demonstration, set the > example, but never entered into the " worlds " activities with concern. > > Dear Rafael, > > The point is well taken. > Bhagavan did sometimes made commentaries about " wordly matters " but > always as an impartial observer. > At the same time, it was his gentle nature to act the way he acted, > besides the fact that he was a Jnani. > If you take Nisargadatta for example, another Jnani, you have a > completely different picture. A highly temperamental personality, > screaming people out of his teaching room. > Both were " themselves " . > > A lot is about behavior, and behavior is only body/mind involved and its > features.. > It is interesting thing to note, I was once in contact with a dear > friend who was an astrologer and also interested in spiritual matters > who told me that many of jnanis " astrological charts " were clear > depictions of their behavior. In her own words, Bhagavan's chart was all > about " space " and gentleness, and someone like Osho (in the past she was > an Osho follower) was all about movement and complex patterns. The > astrological charts have nothing to do with Realization. > > Even if Self-Realization attenuates (or enhances) some of the > personality features, it won't alter the fundamental construction of the > body/mind, and moreover, it may reveal it further. > > Sorry I deviate from your point a little. > > My observation was strictly a question of how to being tuned with our > surroundings. > I'm pretty sure also that Richard took it (if he read it at all) in that > spirit, as a simple observation and not a judgement. > Besides, he is doing a great job with all his reporting from Tiru. > > Yours in Bhagavan, > Mouna > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 ---- Original message ---- >Date:  Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:00:39 -0000 >  " upadesa " <maunna >Subject:  Re: Village Family Puja near Tiruvannamalai >To:  > > > > Yosy Flug <yosyflug wrote: > > >...and having met this spiritual fart,... > > ...on this dead charlatan... > > Dear Yosy, Namaste > > Besides the fact that you could be right or wrong > (actually I never met this man nor I know much about > him) you seem to carry still an account towards > him... even after 30 years. > Heavy burden some accounts... better to lighten up > so the air-balloon can fly away... > > Yours in Bhagavan, > Mouna hehehe my friend, the response arises according to time, circumstances and need. that's all. I Have nothing… Nothing to attack Nothing to achieve Nothing to maintain Nothing to forgive; Nothing to expect Nothing to believe. No one to defend And no cause to grieve… Only This Living moment Has What appears As " Me " . BOOM! _()_ yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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