Guest guest Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 praNAms Hare Krishna First, in geeta bhAshya (2-10), shankara says : janakAdayaH tattvavidOpi....karmasaNyAse prAptepi karmaNA sahaiva saMsiddhiM AstithAH na karma saMnyAsaM krutavantaH...Here shankara clearly hints that even kshatriya-s like janaka etc. are eligible to take sarvakarma saNyAsa but continued with their previous karma etc. And in mundaka shruti ( 1.2.12) bhAshya on 'brAhmaNo nirvedamAyAt', shankara explicitly says that ONLY brahmaNa-s have the special eligibility (adhikAra) to take saNyAsa : brAhmaNasyaiva visheshatOdhikAraH sarvatyAgena brahma vidAyAM iti brAhmaNagrahaNaM, here also one can infer that though brAhmaNa-s have special (vishesha) adhikAra, other varNA-s (kshatriya & vysya) also can take saNyAsa. But in bruhadAraNyaka bhAshya, at two places shankara explicitly says ONLY brahmaNa-s have the adhikAra to take saNyAsa and kshatriya & vysya-s donot have adhikAra to take pArivrAjya saNyAsa. Here are those two instances : (a) brahmaNAnAM eva adhikArO vyutthAne atO brahMaNa grahaNaM (br.up. bhAshya 3-5-1). (b) na hi kshatriya vyshyayOH pArivrAjya pratipattirasti (concluding remarks at br.up. bhAshya 4-5-15) I heard that sureshwara in his vArtika says all the three varNa-s have adhikAra to take saNyAsa. Kindly clarify how traditional vyAkhyAnakAra-s / AchArya-s would reconcile this seemingly contradictory statements?? Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar PS : My paramaguruji Sri SSS too has not discussed this issue in detail..He, in his Kannada commentary on bruhadAraNyaka, just points out at vArtika reference & leaves it to scholars to look at at. Hence I am making this request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 advaitin , Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr wrote: > > praNAms > Hare Krishna > > I heard that sureshwara in his vArtika says all the three varNa-s have > adhikAra to take saNyAsa. > > Kindly clarify how traditional vyAkhyAnakAra-s / AchArya-s would reconcile > this seemingly contradictory statements?? Namaste. Maybe the following will be of help: In the SiddhAntakalpavallI, a work in verse form, by Sri SadAshivendra Saraswati (Sri SadAshiva Brahmendra of Nerur, the great Yogi-JnAni), a condensed version of the SiddhAntaleshasangrahaH of Sri Appayya Dikshitar, has this to say. (Here is a translation of verse 7 of the Third chapter of the above book): // Having presented, in two ways, the role/utility of sannyasa in generating Knowledge, now the eligibility for sannyasa is spoken of. In the Shruti passage, `yadi vEtrathA brahmacharyAdeva pravrajEt' (Else, if not, even from the brahmachaarin's stage, let one take to renunciation, from the householder's or forest-dweller's stage), there is a generalized sanction for Kshatriyas, etc., to embrace the order of sannyasa. [This is because, the stages of brahmacharya, gArhastya and vAnaprastha are common for Brahmanas, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas.] While this is the view of a section of thinkers, others hold a different view. Shruti passages like: `BrAhmano nirvedamAyAt' (the Brahmana attained disgust in life), `Brahmano vyutthAya' (the Brahmana disassociated himself from..), `BrahmanaH pravrajEt' (let the brahmana renounce) consist of the term `brahmana' explicitly. Further, there is this verse of Sri Sureshwaracharya in the Brihadaranyaka VArtika: `adhikAri-visheshasya jnAnAya brAhmanagrahaH / na sannyAsavidhiH yasmaat shrutau kshatriya-vaishyayoH' [ The word `braahmana' in the quoted Shruti passages is meant to indicate the eligibility of the particular candidate for taking up the sadhana to attain Jnanam. It is not an injunction to teach that sannyaasa is to be taken up.] Based on this verse it is held that the brahmana alone is etntiled for sannyasa ashrama and not the kshatriya/vyshya. The latter are eligible for Jnanam, through shravana, etc. even without sannyasa. // The above work has been translated to Kannada by Vidwan Sri SheshAchala Sharma of Bangalore. The above view of the traditional Acharyas is presented only as a clarification/input; I am not entering any discussion on this topic. Om Tat Sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Further, there is this verse of Sri Sureshwaracharya in the Brihadaranyaka VArtika: `adhikAri-visheshasya jnAnAya brAhmanagrahaH / na sannyAsavidhiH yasmaat shrutau kshatriya-vaishyayoH' [ The word `braahmana' in the quoted Shruti passages is meant to indicate the eligibility of the particular candidate for taking up the sadhana to attain Jnanam. It is not an injunction to teach that sannyaasa is to be taken up.] Based on this verse it is held that the brahmana alone is etntiled for sannyasa ashrama and not the kshatriya/vyshya. The latter are eligible for Jnanam, through shravana, etc. even without sannyasa. // praNAms Sri Subbu prabhuji Hare krishna Thanks for your kind clarification. However, as you know it only shows the prevalent difference of opinions on this issue & not directly deal with the different opinion of bhAshyakAra ( in geeta & bruhadAraNyaka) & vArtikakAra. Would it be possible to elaborate the above observation of siddhAnta kalpavalli with the vArtika reference prabhuji. I am interested to know more details about your last sentence. i.e. : " Based on this verse it is held that the brahmana alone is etntiled for sannyasa ashrama and not the kshatriya/vyshya. The latter are eligible for Jnanam, through shravana, etc. even without sannyasa " . Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 advaitin , Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr wrote: However, as you know it only shows the > prevalent difference of opinions on this issue & not directly deal with > the different opinion of bhAshyakAra ( in geeta & bruhadAraNyaka) & > vArtikakAra. Hari Om Shri Bhaskarji, Pranaams! The interpretation of AcAryaji w.r.t. mantra portion etaM vai tamAtmAnam viditvA …… tiShThAset.(Br. 3.5.1) is:- yasmAt pUrve brAhmaNAH tam etam AtmAnam viditvA sarvasmAt sAdhana-phala-svarUpAt eShaNA-lakShaNAd vyutthAya bhikShAcaryaM caranti sma, tasmAt adyatve api brAhmaNaH pANDityaM(AtmavignyAnaM AcAryataH Agamatashca) nirvidya(niHsheShaM viditvA) bAlyena(gnyAnabala-bhAvena sthAtum icchhet. He also declares: w.r.t. first half, the vyutthAnam is vidhitsitam i.e. AtmasvarUpa-vaiparityasvabhAvatvAt vyutthAnam vidhi vAkyam eva. Whereas bhaikshacaryam caranti sma is not as it is aprayojakam and is a sheSha-pratipatti karma. The word brAhmana in first place denotes Brahmins of yore and the second one the brahmavit. The entire teaching of upaniShad/vedAnta is guiding towards AtmavidyA and here shrutimAta is compassionately guiding the sAdhaka away from Atma-viruddhA-lakShaNa-viShaya by instructing vyutthAnam. This is the consideration for vArtikakAra to declare that here the prakrta vishaya is gnAna and hence AcArya's meaning of brAhmaNa in the second place i.e. brahmavit alone hold good and since this is not for fixing up the adhikAratva for sannyAsa the first meaning Brahmins do not hold good and hence this injunction i.e. eShaNAbhyo vyutthAya gnyAnabalabhAvena sthAtumicchhet includes kshatriya and vaishyas also. There is no contradiction between vArtikakAra and AcAryaji. When sannyAsa as a ashrama and its adhikAritva are taken up, which is independent of AtmavidyA, may be the meaning of Brahmins for brAhmaNas hold good. In Shri Guru Smriti, Br. Pranipata Chaitanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 hare krishna,namaskarams. after reading and understanding maneesha panchakam by sankaracharya wherin he extolls the chandala as his another guru where is the question of discriminating the castes and creeds for either the knowledge or for any kind of ashrama.also on taking sanyasa when one renounces the family and throws the sacred thread where is the brahmanathvam there.in every human being the atma inside is the same paramatma and has as much right for selfknowledge and to choose the asrama he wants.the same applies to even the gender discrimination. with due respect, all the interpretations by various acharyas of their times that were according to the culture and traditions prevalant at that time and certainly may not be the final word on a subject like this one. may lord krishna bless and release us all from the cycle of birth and death. baskaran From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! http://in./trynew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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