Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009   Namaste, Sri Shekharji and others, Sri Shekharji has tried to clarify some very vital points. I may be enlightened with regard to what he says “Now humans, apart from their faculty of discrimination, must be different somehow, and therefore not subject to ignorance?†Different in what way? Is it not because human beings are “self conscious†or more self conscious as compared to the animals? We find only human being  alone try to “manipulate and improve†his (?) self, i.e. what he considers as self. This improvement he tries in the field of body, mind, and intellect, i.e. his physical appearance, his moods and his intellect. (So many industries thrive only just because of this desire in human beings.) At least from the behavior of the animals we do not find that they try to do anything for such improvement. As a matter of fact, what human beings try is not only improvement, but perfection in these spheres, not knowing that these fields i.e. body, mind and intellect are not real as they depend on some substratum, and therefore mithya. However, the problem is who is trying for such perfection? Is not that entity itself a mithya, or illusion? Further when he says “For the means of knowledge to operate, it requires the notion of a doer, and the notion of a doer is the result of superimposition on the unattached brain. In other words, as soon as one falsely identifies the self as a mind, i.e. an agent, or doer, then all fields that operate are in the field of ignorance.†What exactly is meant by superimposition on the unattached brain? When he says “one†who falsely identifies the self as a mind etc., who or what is this “selfâ€? Who is the one that falsely identifies? Again, who is the knower or on whose part is this notion of a doer, etc., and is knowing that itself not a piece of knowledge, may be notion? If so, where does such knowledge exist? It must be an entity, sentient entity, who also illumines such notions. Who or what is that entity? What I am just trying to say is, the notion of the doer or doership, etc. is itself a piece of knowledge or notion and where does that exist? Further when “It is beginning less and endless in the sphere of the empirical universe. This confusion or superimposition is the basic ignorance that results in this world of dualityâ€. Maybe true, but my understanding is shastra unfolds this fact and makes one not only realize this fact, but also that such ignorance itself is not Real, as, though beginingless, it does end at least as a recognition of its illusory nature and alongwith whatever the result of such ignorance, i.e. mithyAgnam. It is here the dream experience is brought up only to negate the ignorance. The only difference is when the dream experience is negated in the waking state, i.e. another state, it is not the case with the waking experience, where such negation is done in the waking state itself. Therefore, such negation appears to be most difficult, as the negator himself is trying to negate him, instead of negating his wrong notions! After intellectual appreciation of “Aham BrahmAsmi†one expects disappearance of duality and also experience of Brahman or Bliss, On the one hand one expects disappearance of duality and on the other he also expects to “experience†something, say Brahman or Bliss. How is it possible? Experience involves duality as the one experiences must be different from what is experienced. Nevertheless the presence of “I†shines always even in duality as “prati bodha viditham†i.e. in each and every piece of knowledge or awareness of any object it or “I†is also present and one just has to recognize this fact, and also at the same time this “I†is also independent of any objective knowledge as it is Knowledge itself pervading though all pieces of knowledge. I look forward to the learned vies of our members. With kind regards and Hari Om R. S. Mani From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! http://in./trynew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 > Nevertheless the presence of “I†shines always even in duality as “prati bodha viditham†i.e. in each and every piece of knowledge or awareness of any object it or “I†is also present and one just has to recognize this fact, and also at the same time this “I†is also independent of any objective knowledge as it is Knowledge itself pervading though all pieces of knowledge. > I look forward to the learned vies of our members. > With kind regards and Hari Om > > R. S. Mani > > > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! http://in./trynew > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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