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Namaste,

 

I am new to this group and interested in deepening my understanding of Advaita.

 

I have been seeking for God/Reality for over fifteen years, until I finally

stumbled upon Kashmir Shaivism. In my attempt to understand Kashmir Shaivism it

dawned on me that I could never really understand it until I had experienced

what KS was talking about. This was important as it motivated me to actually

practice sadhana.

 

My sadhana consisted of mostly Kriya Yoga, reading the Shiva Sutras and

contemplating the 36 Tattvas. Then one day I had a very interesting thought. I

thought " what if the 36 Tattvas were states of experience, in that they

constituted the whole of a humans experience " . I then thought " if that was the

case I could know God by dissolving the Tattvas one by one " . So I sat down in

meditation and did just that.

 

What resulted was that I was within the void seeing the reflection of

consciousness, when I took this to be Anavamala and let go of the reflection of

consciousness I knew for the first time my true self. I do not know how long I

stayed in this state it had to be around a half hour to a hour.

 

Then a strange, clear and simple thought arose within my mind, to get the mail.

This seemed acceptable to me so I stood up and went for a walk to get the mail.

The whole time I remained within myself, even though my body and senses moved

through space and time I was not bound by them.

 

Then another simple and clear thought arose within my mind, I could see it

arise, abide and slowly dissolve back into consciousness. Then all at once the

world dissolved into Satcitandandagahana. Words cannot express the wonder and

beauty of this.

 

This was the end of my sadhana and my study for many years. It is only now that

I am interested in deepening my realization and my understanding of the

philosophy of Advaita.

 

Philosophically, I can see that from the point of view of experience, we can say

that the world in an illusion. However, I believe the world and our flesh exist

in such a way that we can not know the truth of its existence through any of our

senses. Thus the mirror of consciousness and the world are one and the same, but

the world that each and everyone of us experiences within the mirror of

consciousness is an illusion. What is Advaitas understanding of this?

 

What is Advaitas understanding of complete enlightenment? Would the enlightened

one continuously abide within the state of Satcitananda or would the enlightened

one continuously abide within the self no matter what state may or may not

arise?

 

Does Advaita distinguish between self realization and god realization?

 

Thank you for your time and patience.

Nickolas

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advaitin , " krsnakriyaban " <mushinmonk wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> I am new to this group and interested in deepening my understanding of

Advaita.

>

While learning there is no doubt nor a question neither identification.That is

what advaitha means.To see action in inaction and inaction in routine is

advaitha.In threefold knowledge seeing the seer and seen is advaitha.Non duality

is not a created state but what is, where as duality is a created state where in

seer and seen interact constantly to produce cause and its effect.Duality is a

virtual state consists of doer and doing,knower and knowledge but partial and

indirect in its inception which is responsible for phenomenal illusion.

thank you

you are free to discuss

sekhar

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Dear Nicholas,

 

 

*********************************************

Then another simple and clear thought arose within my mind, I could see it

arise, abide and slowly dissolve back into consciousness. Then all at once the

world dissolved into Satcitandandagahana. Words cannot express the wonder and

beauty of this.

 

This was the end of my sadhana and my study for many years.....

 

*******************************************

 

If this be your statement then frankly speaking you are blessed.

 

If the sadhana finds its culmination after 15 years of struggle, this

*culmination* is Advaita (if you are true to your statement).

 

For your kind information, Advaita is not a means but an end where only Grand

Silence remains. Bhagavan Ramana says *Be in that state and do nothing*.

 

Since, you are into Kashmir Saivism, i suggest you to read *Vijnana Bhairava* &

*Spanda Karika* which could be of help to you. Because, there would be conflict

of ideas if you follow the 2 paths ie., Kevala Advaita of Sankara which is

Vivartavada and Sivadvaita of Kashmir Saivism which is parinamavada. Though

ultimately both are different sides of a same coin.

 

Vivartavadi says " sarvam brahma mayam " & " Jagat mithya " whereas parinamavadi

says " sarvam sakti/siva mayam Jagat " . The vivartavadis look world as illusion

whereas the parinamavadis look world as non-different from Sakti / Siva. So,

Sakta/Siva Advaita never rejects the world as illusion but accepts the world as

Sakti-swarupa.

 

If you accept the world as real and proceed in sadhana, naturally the gates to

the liberation are automatically opened without much friction as you become more

and more sensitive to the world.

 

The more you shout about the illusoriness of the world, the more you get

entangled into the meshes of maya.

 

Just my 2 cents..

 

sriram

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Namaste Sriram,

 

Thank you for your reply. Some people do not grasp that when they deceive

others, they only deceive themselves. I will read the Vijnana Bhairava & the

Spanda Karika as you suggest.

 

Thank you for your time.

Nickolas

 

 

advaitin , " babi " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:

>

> Dear Nicholas,

>

>

> *********************************************

> Then another simple and clear thought arose within my mind, I could see it

arise, abide and slowly dissolve back into consciousness. Then all at once the

world dissolved into Satcitandandagahana. Words cannot express the wonder and

beauty of this.

>

> This was the end of my sadhana and my study for many years.....

>

> *******************************************

>

> If this be your statement then frankly speaking you are blessed.

>

> If the sadhana finds its culmination after 15 years of struggle, this

*culmination* is Advaita (if you are true to your statement).

>

> For your kind information, Advaita is not a means but an end where only Grand

Silence remains. Bhagavan Ramana says *Be in that state and do nothing*.

>

> Since, you are into Kashmir Saivism, i suggest you to read *Vijnana Bhairava*

& *Spanda Karika* which could be of help to you. Because, there would be

conflict of ideas if you follow the 2 paths ie., Kevala Advaita of Sankara which

is Vivartavada and Sivadvaita of Kashmir Saivism which is parinamavada. Though

ultimately both are different sides of a same coin.

>

> Vivartavadi says " sarvam brahma mayam " & " Jagat mithya " whereas parinamavadi

says " sarvam sakti/siva mayam Jagat " . The vivartavadis look world as illusion

whereas the parinamavadis look world as non-different from Sakti / Siva. So,

Sakta/Siva Advaita never rejects the world as illusion but accepts the world as

Sakti-swarupa.

>

> If you accept the world as real and proceed in sadhana, naturally the gates to

the liberation are automatically opened without much friction as you become more

and more sensitive to the world.

>

> The more you shout about the illusoriness of the world, the more you get

entangled into the meshes of maya.

>

> Just my 2 cents..

>

> sriram

>

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