Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Dear to who this concerns, may I please again request everyone to use English language in this forum. For example what should one make of those posts which I attach below if one does not know Sanskrit? Please be so kind and consider all those participants of this list (the majority) who are not as familiar with Sanskrit terms and/or Indian culture as you are. Otherwise it comes to a point where I see posts of certain members and immediately delete them because my experience it that I anyway don't understand them. This is unfortunate as those posts are often written by great scholars and senoir members who have a lot to share. Om Shanti Sitara Just an example: But what i believe is that Sarada might be the upanishad pratipadya " mAyA sabala brahma " and has been adopted by Sankara Sampardaya Yatis as a symbol of Brahmavidya for Saguna Upasana as there is a reference to the Parinamavada in Sutra Bhashya (2nd chapter-1st patha-14 sutra): " pariNAma prakriyAm chAshrayati saguNeShUpasanEShu. .... " Also in the Sutra " AtmakriteH pariNAmAt " [1-4-26], Acharya Sankara writes " parinamaiti brumaH, purvasiddho api hi san AtmA visheshena vikarAtmana cha parinamo mriidadyasu prakritishu upalabdhah " . > 'nyAya prasthAna' sUtra-s and attributing the 'upAsya devata' to it is > indefensible. Shankara talks about aparabrahma in his prasthAna trayi > bhAshya, but as far as my knowledge goes, nowhere he says aparabrahma is > meant as 'shArada mAta'. The word haMsa, might have some esoteric meaning > as explained earlier, than to denote 'haMsavAhini' , shArada mAta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 I agree with you fully. I think it is definitely possible to use English if one decides to.Too much of technical words in Sanskrit, makes the reading difficult. I am also deleting the mails which contain too much Sanskrit. Dilip On 11/12/09, Sitara <smitali17 wrote: Dear to who this concerns,may I please again request everyone to use English language in this forum. For example what should one make of those posts which I attach below if one does not know Sanskrit? Please be so kind and consider all those participants of this list (the majority) who are not as familiar with Sanskrit terms and/or Indian culture as you are. Otherwise it comes to a point where I see posts of certain members and immediately delete them because my experience it that I anyway don't understand them. This is unfortunate as those posts are often written by great scholars and senoir members who have a lot to share. Om ShantiSitaraJust an example:But what i believe is that Sarada might be the upanishad pratipadya " mAyA sabala brahma " and has been adopted by Sankara Sampardaya Yatis as a symbol of Brahmavidya for Saguna Upasana as there is a reference to the Parinamavada in Sutra Bhashya (2nd chapter-1st patha-14 sutra): " pariNAma prakriyAm chAshrayati saguNeShUpasanEShu. .... " Also in the Sutra " AtmakriteH pariNAmAt " [1-4-26], Acharya Sankara writes " parinamaiti brumaH, purvasiddho api hi san AtmA visheshena vikarAtmana cha parinamo mriidadyasu prakritishu upalabdhah " . > 'nyAya prasthAna' sUtra-s and attributing the 'upAsya devata' to it is > indefensible. Shankara talks about aparabrahma in his prasthAna trayi > bhAshya, but as far as my knowledge goes, nowhere he says aparabrahma is > meant as 'shArada mAta'. The word haMsa, might have some esoteric meaning > as explained earlier, than to denote 'haMsavAhini' , shArada mAta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 advaitin , " Sitara " <smitali17 wrote: > > Dear to who this concerns, > > may I please again request everyone to use English language in this forum. > > For example what should one make of those posts which I attach below if one does not know Sanskrit? Please be so kind and consider all those participants of this list (the majority) who are not as familiar with Sanskrit terms and/or Indian culture as you are. > > Otherwise it comes to a point where I see posts of certain members and immediately delete them because my experience it that I anyway don't understand them. This is unfortunate as those posts are often written by great scholars and senoir members who have a lot to share. > > Om Shanti > Sitara > > > Just an example: > > But what i believe is that Sarada might be the upanishad pratipadya " mAyA sabala brahma " and has been adopted by Sankara Sampardaya Yatis as a symbol of Brahmavidya for Saguna Upasana as there is a reference to the Parinamavada in Sutra Bhashya (2nd chapter-1st patha-14 sutra): > > " pariNAma prakriyAm chAshrayati saguNeShUpasanEShu. .... " > > Also in the Sutra " AtmakriteH pariNAmAt " [1-4-26], Acharya Sankara writes " parinamaiti brumaH, purvasiddho api hi san AtmA visheshena vikarAtmana cha parinamo mriidadyasu prakritishu upalabdhah " . > > > 'nyAya prasthAna' sUtra-s and attributing the 'upAsya devata' to it is > > indefensible. Shankara talks about aparabrahma in his prasthAna trayi > > bhAshya, but as far as my knowledge goes, nowhere he says aparabrahma is > > meant as 'shArada mAta'. The word haMsa, might have some esoteric meaning > > as explained earlier, than to denote 'haMsavAhini' , shArada mAta. > rgoteti I too agree.While using English script better we express in English only. Even though we may feel difficulty while translating but worth it.Difficulty with translation Example (Vriththi) (Atma) Abhasa etc. Funniest thing is J Krishna murthy tried his best to introduce Non duality (Advaitha) concept to western school of thought.He says seer is the seen.Advaitha says Sakshi is chaitanya but because of abhasa think that they are two the very reason for not able to understand what non duality really is. thank you sekhar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 praNAms Smt. Sitara mAtAji, Sri Dilip & Sri Sekar prabhuji Hare Krishna No doubt, I am one of those culprits who uses more Sanskrit than English in my mails :-)) But what to do, I must confess here that this is my big drawback!! I cannot give English translation to the Sanskrit words & sentences due to my limited language knowledge in English. But before writing anything in this list, I humbly believe that those who 'participate' in the discussion would comfortably understand shruti & bhAshya vAkya-s ( sentences from scriptures & commentaries) in Sanskrit. I know how muddled my mail would be to the non-Sanskrit readers...But, kindly pardon me, I am really helpless in this regard. My vocabulary in English language is below average & I would definitely struggle a lot & at the end, I'll make it a big mess if I try to translate some very important original Sanskrit sentences. Hope you prabhuji-s would understand my inability & allow me to participate in the list discussion in my style. I humbly request you to delete my mails even wihtout opening it...Kindly be rest assured that there would be absolutely no hard feelings from my side. And you can always learn & study intricacies of advaita vedAnta through the posts of Sri Sadananda prabhuji, Sri Ananda Wood prabhuji, Sri Subbu prabhuji, Sri Madathil Nair prabhuji, Sri Shyam prabhuji, Sri Ramachandra prabhuji etc. who are quite capable of expressing their thoughts & view points in foreign language without any difficulty. Pardon me onceagain for not living upto your expectation. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Dear Sri Bhaskar, Thanks for being so outspoken. After all, the scriptures are for the people who want to know. So all the discussion should be necessarily be people centric.If the scriptures do not reach them , what is the use ? I have read a lot of literature of Swami Vivekananda, Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj , but never had any difficulty. Even Eckhart Tolle can explain the difficult subject in a simple and most practical manner. Enough if we get the essence from the scriptures rather than the argumentation. Even arguments can be presented in English. I liked your frankness, though. Regards Dilip On 11/13/09, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr wrote: praNAms Smt. Sitara mAtAji, Sri Dilip & Sri Sekar prabhuji Hare Krishna No doubt, I am one of those culprits who uses more Sanskrit than English in my mails :-)) But what to do, I must confess here that this is my big drawback!! I cannot give English translation to the Sanskrit words & sentences due to my limited language knowledge in English. But before writing anything in this list, I humbly believe that those who 'participate' in the discussion would comfortably understand shruti & bhAshya vAkya-s ( sentences from scriptures & commentaries) in Sanskrit. I know how muddled my mail would be to the non-Sanskrit readers...But, kindly pardon me, I am really helpless in this regard. My vocabulary in English language is below average & I would definitely struggle a lot & at the end, I'll make it a big mess if I try to translate some very important original Sanskrit sentences. Hope you prabhuji-s would understand my inability & allow me to participate in the list discussion in my style. I humbly request you to delete my mails even wihtout opening it...Kindly be rest assured that there would be absolutely no hard feelings from my side. And you can always learn & study intricacies of advaita vedAnta through the posts of Sri Sadananda prabhuji, Sri Ananda Wood prabhuji, Sri Subbu prabhuji, Sri Madathil Nair prabhuji, Sri Shyam prabhuji, Sri Ramachandra prabhuji etc. who are quite capable of expressing their thoughts & view points in foreign language without any difficulty. Pardon me onceagain for not living upto your expectation. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Pranams Sitaraji, Sorry for the inconvenience. As bhaskarji explained, sometimes the english words doesnot strike in time. Anyways, your advice is taken humbly. Pranams bhaskarji, My quota of posts today are over and if i exceed the limit of postings, i am afraid i would be shown the yellow card. So, rest would be discussed tomorrow. BTW, " Sri " is the Lusture of Jatavedas (as explained in Durga Sukta) which bestows Auspiciousness to the Upasakas. The esoteric sense of " padminim " " padmamalinim " etc. would be explained later as per Yaska Nirukta & Vidyaranya. There are only 15 riks in the mula patha and rest are incorporations. These 15 rik are the source of 15 bijas of Panchadashakshari Mahamantra of Srividya. 15 riks contains 81 " r " s (re-phAs) and based on these 81 r's, a 9x9 matrik of Vastospati Yantra is designed. With regs, sriram advaitin , " Sitara " <smitali17 wrote: > > Dear to who this concerns, > > may I please again request everyone to use English language in this forum. > > For example what should one make of those posts which I attach below if one does not know Sanskrit? Please be so kind and consider all those participants of this list (the majority) who are not as familiar with Sanskrit terms and/or Indian culture as you are. > > Otherwise it comes to a point where I see posts of certain members and immediately delete them because my experience it that I anyway don't understand them. This is unfortunate as those posts are often written by great scholars and senoir members who have a lot to share. > > Om Shanti > Sitara > > > Just an example: > > But what i believe is that Sarada might be the upanishad pratipadya " mAyA sabala brahma " and has been adopted by Sankara Sampardaya Yatis as a symbol of Brahmavidya for Saguna Upasana as there is a reference to the Parinamavada in Sutra Bhashya (2nd chapter-1st patha-14 sutra): > > " pariNAma prakriyAm chAshrayati saguNeShUpasanEShu. .... " > > Also in the Sutra " AtmakriteH pariNAmAt " [1-4-26], Acharya Sankara writes " parinamaiti brumaH, purvasiddho api hi san AtmA visheshena vikarAtmana cha parinamo mriidadyasu prakritishu upalabdhah " . > > > 'nyAya prasthAna' sUtra-s and attributing the 'upAsya devata' to it is > > indefensible. Shankara talks about aparabrahma in his prasthAna trayi > > bhAshya, but as far as my knowledge goes, nowhere he says aparabrahma is > > meant as 'shArada mAta'. The word haMsa, might have some esoteric meaning > > as explained earlier, than to denote 'haMsavAhini' , shArada mAta. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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