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Dear Advaitins,

 

Can some one please explain the meaning of the verse aparokShaanubhuuti : # 142

appearing on our home page.

 

With all respects to the translator, I am afraid the meaning in English given

doesn't seem to say what exactly the verse is meant to convey. Hence, this

requet.

 

Besides, I believe it has got something to do with Sekharji's quote of JK about

the seer and the seen being the same.

 

Best regards to all.

 

Madathil Nair

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Dear Nair-ji,

As a purely literary translation it is correct, but it needs explanation.

dRishyam means the entire universe. adRishyam is Brahman. So the first line of

the verse says that the whole world should be merged, mentally, in Brahman and

looked upon as Brahman itself. The second line says that the wise man (who has

merged the world in Brahman) should remain identified with pure Consciousness

(cidrasapUrNayA dhiyA)and in eternal bliss (nityasukhe).

Regards,

S.N.Sastri

 

advaitin , " madathilnair " <madathilnair wrote:

>

> Dear Advaitins,

>

> Can some one please explain the meaning of the verse aparokShaanubhuuti : #

142 appearing on our home page.

>

> With all respects to the translator, I am afraid the meaning in English given

doesn't seem to say what exactly the verse is meant to convey. Hence, this

requet.

>

> Besides, I believe it has got something to do with Sekharji's quote of JK

about the seer and the seen being the same.

>

> Best regards to all.

>

> Madathil Nair

>

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advaitin , " snsastri " <sn.sastri wrote:

>

>

> Dear Nair-ji,

> As a purely literary translation it is correct, but it needs explanation.

dRishyam means the entire universe. adRishyam is Brahman. So the first line of

the verse says that the whole world should be merged, mentally, in Brahman and

looked upon as Brahman itself. The second line says that the wise man (who has

merged the world in Brahman) should remain identified with pure Consciousness

(cidrasapUrNayA dhiyA)and in eternal bliss (nityasukhe).

> Regards,

> S.N.Sastri

>

> advaitin , " madathilnair " <madathilnair@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Advaitins,

> >

> > Can some one please explain the meaning of the verse aparokShaanubhuuti : #

142 appearing on our home page.

> >

> > With all respects to the translator, I am afraid the meaning in English

given doesn't seem to say what exactly the verse is meant to convey. Hence,

this requet.

> >

> > Besides, I believe it has got something to do with Sekharji's quote of JK

about the seer and the seen being the same.

> >

> > Best regards to all.

> >

> > Madathil Nair

> >

>

Dear Mr Nair

 

All the sense we get out of knowledge is also called sixth sense

All sense data is indirect and partial otherwise also called as paroksham.

But the sense we get out that data is aparoksham (Direct)Whatever one feels is

direct but the data responsible for that is indirect.

Knowledge is also compared with the moon but not with the sun.

That was how asked by Hayagreeva in Lalitha sahasranamams

Dvaithadvaitha vivarjitha.

Apparently We see the symbols or language different from us.We also say we use

the language but is it true?

Veda begins with Omkara ends in it so also our knowledge we are carrying, begins

with sound and end in sound.Sound is feeling or emotion or intelligence or

intellect or consciousness or mind.Sound becomes dwaith when mixed with a symbol

and gets corrupt.

Anubhoothi is feeling.One is no way seperate from ones feeling so it is

aparokshanubhoothi.

 

thank you

sekhar

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Pranams Sekharji,

 

///////////////

 

> All the sense we get out of knowledge is also called sixth sense

> All sense data is indirect and partial otherwise also called as paroksham.

> But the sense we get out that data is aparoksham (Direct)Whatever one feels is

direct but the data responsible for that is indirect.

> Knowledge is also compared with the moon but not with the sun.

> That was how asked by Hayagreeva in Lalitha sahasranamams

> Dvaithadvaitha vivarjitha.

> Apparently We see the symbols or language different from us.We also say we use

the language but is it true?

> Veda begins with Omkara ends in it so also our knowledge we are carrying,

begins with sound and end in sound.Sound is feeling or emotion or intelligence

or intellect or consciousness or mind.Sound becomes dwaith when mixed with a

symbol and gets corrupt.

> Anubhoothi is feeling.One is no way seperate from ones feeling so it is

aparokshanubhoothi.

>

> thank you

> sekhar

 

/////

 

When we are discussing about Sankara Vedanta, let us try to stick to the Sankara

Sampradaya and his literature. Let us not create a hotch-potch of the

philosophies from here and there. For academic view, i am presenting what

exactly is the Moon on the forehead of Divine Mother about and the 5 avasthas in

Srividya per se that accepts the Turiyatita state.

 

CONCEPT OF MOON ON THE FOREHEAD

 

The Chandrakala (parts of the moon) which we see on the forehead of Mother/Siva

is the 16th Kala (Part) of the Moon which is seen on 1st day of the Dark

Fortnight (pAdyami tithi of Krishna Paksha ie., the next day of Amavasya).

 

On Amavasya ie., New Moon Day, the Moon shines with only 1 Kala (1/16th part)

which is called para sodasi / sadaa / dhruva kala.

This is called called " Nitya Kala or " Ama Kala " . This Kala is called called

" a-mA " kala because " mA " indicates the state which is having vikaras in the form

of expansion & contraction. " a-mA " means the state without any vikaras that

denote the " Eternal Principle " . " a-mAvAsya " denotes this principle in the form

of Supreme consciousness. The entire creation is divided in terms of Samvatsara

or Year. Year in terms of Months and Months in terms of Pakshas (Fortnight).

Fortnight is governed by the Waxing of Moon during the Bright & Dark Fortnight.

 

Here is the chart and for every Kala (Part) of the Moon in Bright / Dark

Fortnight, there is a Deity that presides over these.

However, i would not go deep into it as this is the forum of such discussions.

 

Chandra Kalas on Bright Fortnight

 

2 kalas on 1st day (Pratipath)

3 kalas on Vidiya

4 kalas on Tritiya

5 kalas on Chaturthi

6 kalas on Panchami

7 kalas on Sashti

8 kalas on Sapthami

9 kalas on Ashtami

10 kalas on Navami

11 kalas on Dasami

12 kalas on Ekadasi

13 kalas on Dwadasi

14 kalas on Trayodasi

15 kalas on Chaturdasi

16 Kalas on Pournami

 

Chandrakalas on Dark Fortnight

 

15 kalas on Pratipath

14 Kalas on Vidhiya

13 kalas on Tritiya

12 kalas on Chaturthi

11 kalas on Panchami

10 kalas on Sashti

9 kalas on Sapthami

8 kalas on Ashtami

7 kalas on Navami

6 kalas on Dasami

5 kalas on Ekadasi

4 kalas on Dwadasi

3 kalas on Trayodasi

2 kalas on Chaturdasi

1 kala on Amavasya

 

So, the Amavasya represents the Pralaya or Dissolution where the Supreme

Consciousness as Siva is in Total Absoption into Himself

alongwith His Sakti. During Amavasya or New Moon Day, the Supreme Consciousness

shines with only 1 Kala of the Moon which is His

Maya Sakti. So, when the Creation starts, Siva unites with this 1 kala of Moon

of Amavasya, and Creates the 1st Day of Bright Fortnight (Sukla Paksha) thus

bringing forth 2 Kalas of Moon on 1st day of Bright Fortnight.

 

It is this 2 Kalas of Moon of pADyami (1st day of Bright Fortnight) that is

represented as the " CRESCENT MOON " on the forehead of Divine Mother / Siva etc.

that represents " Principle of Creation " . This Cycle of Creation, Preservation

continues till the Dissolution on Amavasya.

 

It is said that the Chadrakalas of Moon has the Nector or Ambrosia and the yogis

of highest order drink that Nector by performing

the " Lambika Yoga " using Khechari Mudra. Some of the Singeri Acharyas were

adept in this form of Yoga like Vidyasankara Tirtha, Sivabhinava Nrisimha

Bharati, Chandrasekhara Bharati, Abhinava Vidya Tirtha.

 

 

CONCEPT OF TURIYATITA AVASTHA IN SAKTA SIDDHANTA

 

 

Sabda is also called Vak. This principle of Vak is eulogized in Veda in several

riks and mantras. It is this Vak which is called Agni, Saraswati, Savitri etc.

in Rig Veda. In Rig Veda, this Vak is

symbolically represented as cow by name DHENU (Ref the mantra " dhenurvAk asmAn

upa sushtaitu...).

The milk that comes from the Dhenu (the milch cow) is symbolically represented

as Speech. If Vak is DHENU, then Speech is MILK. This Sabda is also called Sabda

Brahma that is responsible for the creation of this entire Cosmos.

 

This Sabda / Vak when exists as Unmanifested form as Supreme Consciousness in

the form of Suddha Chaitanya. This is of the form of Para Nada at Sahasrara. The

source of this Para Nada is " Mula Para Avastha " which is in the form of Chit

Kala in Hridaya Guha (Heart Cave). Para Nada comes to Muladhara Chakra. From

Muladhara to

Svadhistana, the Vak resides in the form of Para Nada. At Manipura, this Para

Nada becomes Pashyanti. The Pashyanti Nada becomes Madhyama at Anahata Chakra.

The Vak in the form of Madhyama becomes Vaikhari at Vishuddhi Chakra. This

Vaikhara Nada is the Articulate Sound in the form of Matrikas which form 16

vowels and 34 Consonants. The entire creation is the Vaikhari Nada in the form

of Matrikas. The Vak manifesting in Prana at Muladhara is Para Nada. The Vak

manifesting in Mind at Manipura is Pashyanti Nada. The Vak

manifesting in Indriyas at Anahat is Madhyama Nada. The Vak manifesting in

articulate speech at Vishuddhi is Vaikhari

Nada.

 

These 5 stage of Vak are compared with 5 stages. Mulapara is correlated with

Turiyatita; Para is correlated with Turiya; Pashyanti is correlated with

Sushupti; Madhyama is correlated with Swapna; Vaikhari is correlated with Jagrat

avastha of Jiva.

 

So, this entire process of evolution is classified in three stages 1) NADA 2)

BINDU 3) KALA

 

When the Supreme Consciousness tries to become many (Bahusyaam prjaayeya…),

there is a throb or spanda in him. This is NADA. The principle that makes the

Nada blossom is Bindu. The Bindu is again 3-fold. Sukla Bindu, Raktha Bindu and

Misra Bindu. Sukla Bindu is Nishkala Siva. Sukla Bindu is the Maya Swarupa with

aspect of

Sakti in it. Misra (Mixed) Bindu is the form of Siva and Sakti. It is

Maya-Sabala Brahma. This is the concept of Ardha-Nariswara Tattva. When this

triad of Bindu is formed, it takes the form of

Triangle. This Triangle is TRIPUTI or TRIPURA. And thus results in AHAM (I-Ness)

and IDAM (This-ness) in Para Siva. This AHAM is THE KALA.

 

The purpose of Srividya is to know this AHAM and trespass the 3 tripuras

(Triputi-bhedana) and become one with Para Siva.

 

The one who is able to pierce this triad or triputi, becomes one with Siva which

is called " Becoming Siva " in Tantra.

 

The Vedanta defines this Siva to be Brahman and if one transcends this Triputi,

becomes Brahman ie., Brahma Vid Brahmaiva Bhavati.

 

with regards,

sriram

 

//shrI gurupAdukA me gatih..//

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advaitin , " Venkata Sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi

wrote:

>

>

> Pranams Sekharji,

>

> ///////////////

>

> > All the sense we get out of knowledge is also called sixth sense

> > All sense data is indirect and partial otherwise also called as paroksham.

> > But the sense we get out that data is aparoksham (Direct)Whatever one feels

is direct but the data responsible for that is indirect.

> > Knowledge is also compared with the moon but not with the sun.

> > That was how asked by Hayagreeva in Lalitha sahasranamams

> > Dvaithadvaitha vivarjitha.

> > Apparently We see the symbols or language different from us.We also say we

use the language but is it true?

> > Veda begins with Omkara ends in it so also our knowledge we are carrying,

begins with sound and end in sound.Sound is feeling or emotion or intelligence

or intellect or consciousness or mind.Sound becomes dwaith when mixed with a

symbol and gets corrupt.

> > Anubhoothi is feeling.One is no way seperate from ones feeling so it is

aparokshanubhoothi.

> >

> > thank you

> > sekhar

>

> /////

>

> When we are discussing about Sankara Vedanta, let us try to stick to the

Sankara Sampradaya and his literature. Let us not create a hotch-potch of the

philosophies from here and there. For academic view, i am presenting what

exactly is the Moon on the forehead of Divine Mother about and the 5 avasthas in

Srividya per se that accepts the Turiyatita state.

>

>>>>>>>>>>

Dear sir

Please to know that you are well versed in Sanskrit literature.What you

explained in Sanskrit terminology I stated above in simple English.You can not

call the essence of principles as notch poach.As you know pretty well that there

are Maha vakyas which were explained By Adi Sankara in a lucid way.He himself

said Ardha manardham Bhavaye yuktham.

Anubhoothi is Bhava or feeling which in fact one in nature i,e I am

existing.Whatever super imposed over it are names which diverts the attention of

Bhava.

Certainly you may also admit that explanation is different from interpretation

and description but all bring out feeling in their own sense of construction.So

knowledge is a thick forest and readers require clarity so to say the above

description.

thank you sir

 

sekhar

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advaitin , " madathilnair " <madathilnair wrote:

>

> Dear Advaitins,

>

> Can some one please explain the meaning of the verse aparokShaanubhuuti : #

142 appearing on our home page.

>

 

>

> Madathil Nair

>

Dear Mr Nair

Usually any complex word is divided to get a proper meaning.But there might be

some flaws.As it is Sanskrit literature is musical by its very inception but

complex while searching for a an appropriate meaning.Mostly meaning depends on

the commentaries.

 

As I could derive but you need not accept.You may inquire with a scholar.

 

APAROKSHANUBHOOTHI

 

Paroksham not visible to the senses,future tense

aparoksham present,visible ( mental eye)

Anu By singing made famous,By repetition becomes knowable

Bhoothamu possessed knowledge (known),past,derived from symbolic relation.

 

What we derive from the known is feeling.Basically philosophy deals with thus

derived feeling.We are what we feel.Seer is past and also seen but seeing is

present.Seeing the seer and seen is wisdom.

 

thank you

sekhar

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