Guest guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 namaste, shiva bhaktas If anyone here is interested, there is a koti nama japam of the mantra " om namah shivaya " going on at: www. omnamahshivayajapam.blogspot. com (without the spaces) Chanting for crore 3 is on. The goal is 10 crores. with regards, lk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Namaste. There is no use in putting targets like 10 crores or whatever. This is like a Business Development Manager setting targets to his sales executives regarding the daily sale as a part of concept marketing. Afterall, what is that you are going to achive by setting targets? Moreover, unless one is initiated in the Siva Panchakshari Mahamantra, one is not entitled to do this japa. If at all, one is intended in doing bhajan of Panchakshari, please don't add Pranava before NAMAH SIVAYA. Just chant NAMAH SIVAYA which don't require any initiation and can be chanted by anyone irrespective of caste & creed. Kanchi Mahaperiyaval was very particular on this. Just my 2 cents, regs, sriram--- On Sun, 24/1/10, laksmikantam <laksmikantam wrote: laksmikantam <laksmikantam Om Namah Shivaya japamadvaitin Date: Sunday, 24 January, 2010, 3:57 PM namaste, shiva bhaktasIf anyone here is interested, there is a koti nama japam of the mantra "om namah shivaya" going on at: www. omnamahshivayajapam .blogspot. com (without the spaces)Chanting for crore 3 is on. The goal is 10 crores. with regards, lk The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Dear Venkata ji, If possible please provide a link to Mahaperiyaval's comments on Panchakshari and its japa/chanting. regards, Shailendra advaitin , venkata sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Namaste. >  > There is no use in putting targets like 10 crores or whatever. This is like a Business Development Manager setting targets to his sales executives regarding the daily sale as a part of concept marketing. >  > Afterall, what is that you are going to achive by setting targets? Moreover, unless one is initiated in the Siva Panchakshari Mahamantra, one is not entitled to do this japa. If at all, one is intended in doing bhajan of Panchakshari, please don't add Pranava before NAMAH SIVAYA. >  > Just chant NAMAH SIVAYA which don't require any initiation and can be chanted by anyone irrespective of caste & creed. Kanchi Mahaperiyaval was very particular on this. >  > Just my 2 cents, >  > regs, > sriram > > --- On Sun, 24/1/10, laksmikantam <laksmikantam wrote: > > > laksmikantam <laksmikantam > Om Namah Shivaya japam > advaitin > Sunday, 24 January, 2010, 3:57 PM > > >  > > > > namaste, shiva bhaktas > > If anyone here is interested, there is a koti nama japam of the mantra " om namah shivaya " going on at: > > www. omnamahshivayajapam .blogspot. com (without the spaces) > > Chanting for crore 3 is on. The goal is 10 crores. > > with regards, > lk > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 List Moderator's Note: The current discussion is beyond the scope of this list and members are requested not to continue the discussion. Members are reminded that this list is philosophical and specifically on Sankara's Advaita Philosophy. We expect your cooperation and understanding and thanks in advance! namaste, You are right. It is really 2 cents worth of info you are sharing. The Hindu scriptures are full of targets. After every 125,000 japam, the scriptures ask us to do a homam and offer 10% of the japam we did to Agni (fire). Rudram done 11 times becomes Ati Rudram and so on and so forth. People are all over doing laksha archanai or Koti nama japam. It is a well known fact that the more japam we do, the more the benefits. E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E. in our three japam groups has had amazing miracles happen in their lives. Lord Shiva is one who is very easily pleased and carries our karmic load without us even asking. All he wants is our love and devotion. Those who have been to Tiruvannamalai or even Ramana Ashram, do not need any initiation. The mountain and Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi have very freely given the mantra to us. with regards, lk advaitin , venkata sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Namaste. >  > There is no use in putting targets like 10 crores or whatever. This is like a Business Development Manager setting targets to his sales executives regarding the daily sale as a part of concept marketing. >  > Afterall, what is that you are going to achive by setting targets? Moreover, unless one is initiated in the Siva Panchakshari Mahamantra, one is not entitled to do this japa. If at all, one is intended in doing bhajan of Panchakshari, please don't add Pranava before NAMAH SIVAYA. >  > Just chant NAMAH SIVAYA which don't require any initiation and can be chanted by anyone irrespective of caste & creed. Kanchi Mahaperiyaval was very particular on this. >  > Just my 2 cents, >  > regs, > sriram > > --- On Sun, 24/1/10, laksmikantam <laksmikantam wrote: > > > laksmikantam <laksmikantam > Om Namah Shivaya japam > advaitin > Sunday, 24 January, 2010, 3:57 PM > > >  > > > > namaste, shiva bhaktas > > If anyone here is interested, there is a koti nama japam of the mantra " om namah shivaya " going on at: > > www. omnamahshivayajapam .blogspot. com (without the spaces) > > Chanting for crore 3 is on. The goal is 10 crores. > > with regards, > lk > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Namaste. Here are some of the pramanas. Siva tattva sudha nidhi: praNavEna vinA mantrah sOyam panchAkSharaih smritah strIbhi ShUdraischa samkIrNE namOntO japya eva cha // brahmOttara khanDa: kim tasya bahubhirmantraih kim tIrthaih kim tapOdhvaraih yasya om namah sivAyEti mantrO hridaya gOcharah mantrAdhi rAjarAjO yasya sarva vEdAntasEkharah sarvajnAna nidhAnamcha sO(a)yam saivaShaDakSharah praNavEna vinAmantrah sO(a)yam panchAkSharah smritah strIbhih shUdraischa samkIrnaiah dhyAyatE muktikAmkShibh // From the above sastra vAkya, it is evident that traivarnikas should be initiated in Saiva Shadakshari ie., (om namah sivAya) and anadhikaris of veda should be initiated in Siva Panchakshari ie., (namah sivAya). The praNava japa adhikara comes only to veda adhikaris ie., the dvijas Who are upavItAs and anupavItAs should chant praNava-rahita panchAkShari. Further in the Chandrajnana Tantra which details about the Siva Panchakshari Japa Rahasya and Puja says: sUkShmam mUlam bhavEsya sthUlam vivaraNam matam tArEdhikArayuktastu tArayuktam manum japEt japan anadhikArItu tAram gacchEt adhOgatim tArENa tulya sArOpi sO(a)yam panchAkSharO manuh shAsanAddEvadEvasya lOkAnugrahakAmkShiNah This Saiva Tantra says that there are 2 panchaKsharIs ie., sthula panchakshari & Sukshma panchakshari. Sukshma Panchakshari is praNava (om) as it has 5 aspects ie., A,U,M,Nada, Kala. Sthula Panchakshari also has 5 aspects ie., NA, MA, SI, VA, YA. Adhikaris of Pranava should chant Panchakshari With Pranava and anadhikaris should chant pranava-rahita panchakshari. Further the Saiva Tantra says that if the guru initiates this great mantra without Considering the adhikara bheda, commits dosha (sin). This sin is applicable to both guru & sishya. Further, Tantra Sastra says that there are two praNavAs ie., vaidika praNava and tAntrika praNava. The Vaidika Pranava is " OM " whereas tantrika pranava is " AUM " (pronounced as OWM as one pronounces the word OWL). This is called " prAsAda bija " . The tantrika Bija " hrim " is also called tantrika pranava or sakta pranava. So, non-dwijas (stris and shudras) who are non entitled to study veda, when initiated in Siva Panchaksari are either initiated in : 1) NAMAH SIVAYA 2) AUM NAMAH SIVAYA 3) HRIM NAMAH SIVAYA To utter the Siva Panchaksahri with Omkara or pranava, one should be invested with Sacred Thread. Further for Bhajana of Siva Panchakshari, it is to be noted in Mind that this mantra comes in Krishna Yajurveda. In Krishna Yajurveda, this comes in the middle of Shatarudriya Mantras. In Shatarudriya Mantra, it comes in the middle of the Anuvaka which forms the core of Shatarudriya Mantra. Which implies the " Heart of Krishna Yajurveda " is Shatarudriya and its essence is Siva Panchakshari Mantra. This is a veda mantra which should be uttered with Proper intonations. So, pranava-sahita panchakshari should never be sung in bhajans and should not be given non-dwijas. If interested, they can recite pranava-rahita panchakshari ie., NAMAH SIVAYA. Now, you asked about the discourses of paramacharya regarding this mantra. My gurunatha was an eye witness to one incident at Kanchipuram. During chaturmasya at Kanchipuram, a group of disciples sought the blessings of swamigal and initiation from His Holiness. They were non-dwijas. Kanchi Mahaswamigal gave a gracious glance and gave them vibhuti & kumkuma as prasada and wrote `NAMAH SIVAYA' on a piece of paper and asked them to chant 10 times. Blessing them said that don't put pranava before and can freely chant this mantra irrespective of time and niyamas. Even if one is still bent upon doing the mantras without proper guru initiations, it is upto them. They are requested to read SIVA PURANA which refers to the adhikara nirnaya of panchakshari. I am not going to stop them to decide as I have put the sastra pramana. tasmAt sAstra pramaNam ……. Just my 2 cents. Regs, sriram advaitin , " Shailendra Bhatnagar " <bhatnagar_shailendra wrote: > > Dear Venkata ji, > If possible please provide a link to Mahaperiyaval's comments on Panchakshari and its japa/chanting. > regards, > Shailendra > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 namaste, I have also heard: 1. only brahmins may enter temples and recite the mantras 2. women should not recite the rudram 3. women should not do homams 4. when a woman has a husband, it is sufficient if he does the pujas 4. women should not repeat the pranava mantra - OM I think M.S. Subbalakshmi and others put these myths to rest by chanting them openly. E.v.e.r.y.o.n.e in our three japam groups has had amazing miracles, both spiritual and material happen since they started chanting God's name. What Lord Shiva is looking for is a loving heart, brimming with devotion for him. Like a parent will pick up his child no matter how dirty the child is, so also with Lord Shiva. with regards, lk advaitin , " Venkata Sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > Namaste. > > Here are some of the pramanas. > > Siva tattva sudha nidhi: > > praNavEna vinA mantrah sOyam panchAkSharaih smritah > strIbhi ShUdraischa samkIrNE namOntO japya eva cha // > > brahmOttara khanDa: > > kim tasya bahubhirmantraih kim tIrthaih kim tapOdhvaraih > yasya om namah sivAyEti mantrO hridaya gOcharah > mantrAdhi rAjarAjO yasya sarva vEdAntasEkharah > sarvajnAna nidhAnamcha sO(a)yam saivaShaDakSharah > praNavEna vinAmantrah sO(a)yam panchAkSharah smritah > strIbhih shUdraischa samkIrnaiah dhyAyatE muktikAmkShibh // > > From the above sastra vAkya, it is evident that traivarnikas should > be initiated in Saiva Shadakshari ie., (om namah sivAya) and > anadhikaris of veda should be initiated in Siva Panchakshari ie., (namah sivAya). The praNava japa adhikara comes only to veda adhikaris ie., the dvijas Who are upavItAs and anupavItAs should chant praNava-rahita panchAkShari. > > Further in the Chandrajnana Tantra which details about the Siva Panchakshari Japa Rahasya and Puja says: > > sUkShmam mUlam bhavEsya sthUlam vivaraNam matam > tArEdhikArayuktastu tArayuktam manum japEt > japan anadhikArItu tAram gacchEt adhOgatim > tArENa tulya sArOpi sO(a)yam panchAkSharO manuh > shAsanAddEvadEvasya lOkAnugrahakAmkShiNah > > This Saiva Tantra says that there are 2 panchaKsharIs ie., sthula panchakshari & Sukshma panchakshari. > > Sukshma Panchakshari is praNava (om) as it has 5 aspects ie., > A,U,M,Nada, Kala. Sthula Panchakshari also has 5 aspects ie., > NA, MA, SI, VA, YA. Adhikaris of Pranava should chant Panchakshari > With Pranava and anadhikaris should chant pranava-rahita panchakshari. > > Further the Saiva Tantra says that if the guru initiates this great mantra without Considering the adhikara bheda, commits dosha (sin). This sin is applicable to both guru & sishya. > > Further, Tantra Sastra says that there are two praNavAs ie., vaidika praNava and tAntrika praNava. The Vaidika Pranava is " OM " whereas tantrika pranava is " AUM " (pronounced as OWM as one pronounces the word OWL). This is called " prAsAda bija " . The tantrika Bija " hrim " is also called tantrika pranava or sakta pranava. > > So, non-dwijas (stris and shudras) who are non entitled to study veda, when initiated in Siva Panchaksari are either initiated in : > > 1) NAMAH SIVAYA 2) AUM NAMAH SIVAYA 3) HRIM NAMAH SIVAYA > > To utter the Siva Panchaksahri with Omkara or pranava, one should be invested with Sacred Thread. > > Further for Bhajana of Siva Panchakshari, it is to be noted in Mind that this mantra comes in Krishna Yajurveda. In Krishna Yajurveda, this comes in the middle of Shatarudriya Mantras. In Shatarudriya Mantra, it comes in the middle of the Anuvaka which forms the core of Shatarudriya Mantra. Which implies the " Heart of Krishna Yajurveda " is Shatarudriya and its essence is Siva Panchakshari Mantra. This is a veda mantra which should be uttered with > Proper intonations. > > So, pranava-sahita panchakshari should never be sung in bhajans and should not be given non-dwijas. If interested, they can recite pranava-rahita panchakshari ie., NAMAH SIVAYA. > > Now, you asked about the discourses of paramacharya regarding this mantra. My gurunatha was an eye witness to one incident at Kanchipuram. During chaturmasya at Kanchipuram, a group of disciples sought the blessings of swamigal and initiation from His Holiness. They were non-dwijas. Kanchi Mahaswamigal gave a gracious glance and gave them vibhuti & kumkuma as prasada and wrote `NAMAH SIVAYA' on a piece of paper and asked them to chant 10 times. Blessing them said that don't put pranava before and can freely chant this mantra irrespective of time and niyamas. > > Even if one is still bent upon doing the mantras without proper guru initiations, it is upto them. They are requested to read SIVA PURANA which refers to the adhikara nirnaya of panchakshari. I am not going to stop them to decide as I have put the sastra pramana. > > tasmAt sAstra pramaNam ……. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Regs, > sriram > > > advaitin , " Shailendra Bhatnagar " <bhatnagar_shailendra@> wrote: > > > > Dear Venkata ji, > > If possible please provide a link to Mahaperiyaval's comments on Panchakshari and its japa/chanting. > > regards, > > Shailendra > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Namaste. Owing to the respect to the moderators and especially our beloved sastriji, i am not commenting on this post. My sincere request is not to make any comments like this: <<<<It is really 2 cents worth of info you are sharing>>> shri gurupAduka me gatih... regs, sriram advaitin , " laksmikantam " <laksmikantam wrote: > > List Moderator's Note: The current discussion is beyond the scope of this list and members are requested not to continue the discussion. Members are reminded that this list is philosophical and specifically on Sankara's Advaita Philosophy. We expect your cooperation and understanding and thanks in advance! > > > namaste, > > You are right. It is really 2 cents worth of info you are sharing. > > The Hindu scriptures are full of targets. After every 125,000 japam, the scriptures ask us to do a homam and offer 10% of the japam we did to Agni (fire). Rudram done 11 times becomes Ati Rudram and so on and so forth. People are all over doing laksha archanai or Koti nama japam. > > It is a well known fact that the more japam we do, the more the benefits. > > E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E. in our three japam groups has had amazing miracles happen in their lives. Lord Shiva is one who is very easily pleased and carries our karmic load without us even asking. All he wants is our love and devotion. > > Those who have been to Tiruvannamalai or even Ramana Ashram, do not need any initiation. The mountain and Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi have very freely given the mantra to us. > > with regards, > lk > > advaitin , venkata sriram <sriram_sapthasathi@> wrote: > > > > Namaste. > >  > > There is no use in putting targets like 10 crores or whatever. This is like a Business Development Manager setting targets to his sales executives regarding the daily sale as a part of concept marketing. > >  > > Afterall, what is that you are going to achive by setting targets? Moreover, unless one is initiated in the Siva Panchakshari Mahamantra, one is not entitled to do this japa. If at all, one is intended in doing bhajan of Panchakshari, please don't add Pranava before NAMAH SIVAYA. > >  > > Just chant NAMAH SIVAYA which don't require any initiation and can be chanted by anyone irrespective of caste & creed. Kanchi Mahaperiyaval was very particular on this. > >  > > Just my 2 cents, > >  > > regs, > > sriram > > > > --- On Sun, 24/1/10, laksmikantam <laksmikantam@> wrote: > > > > > > laksmikantam <laksmikantam@> > > Om Namah Shivaya japam > > advaitin > > Sunday, 24 January, 2010, 3:57 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > namaste, shiva bhaktas > > > > If anyone here is interested, there is a koti nama japam of the mantra " om namah shivaya " going on at: > > > > www. omnamahshivayajapam .blogspot. com (without the spaces) > > > > Chanting for crore 3 is on. The goal is 10 crores. > > > > with regards, > > lk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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