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Respected and learned Gurus,

 

While reflecting on whether I should meditate on Brahman in a Nirguna or Sagun aspect, I understand that it is much easier to do so on the Sagun aspect as you have finite things to put your mind on. But deep inside I know that Brahman is Formless, so if I think of Brahman as Birthless, undecaying, deathless, without beginning or end, unmanifest, infinite, a witness, formless, pure without any vasanas, self illuminating, the only truth. omnipotent, omniscient, etc., etc., how can I categorize these qualities? These are definitely not attributes and neither are they descriptive adjactives ( or are they?) nor do they represent a quality. So WHAT are these?

 

Secondly Sir, is it ok to reflect on such Nirguna qualities with the aim of a better understanding of the Self?

 

Hari Om and Pranaams!

 

Sunil

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Namaste.

 

The term " nirguNa " itself is self-explanatory. So how do one reflect on the

qualities of nirguna. Secondly, Acharya Sankara in BSB says that " pariNAma

prakriyAm chAshrayati saguNeShUpasanEShu. " which implies that for mandAdhikArIs

sagunopasana is the 1st rung of the ladder. When this upasana gets mature,

" ahamgrahopasana " should be taken up. This upasana matures in the advaita

siddhi with sarvAtmanabhava.

 

BTW, many mistake the " guNa " in nirguNa to be qualities or attributes but it is

the prakriti in the form of sattva, rajas, tamas.

 

regs,

sriram

 

advaitin , Sunil Goel <sunilgoel29 wrote:

>

> Respected and learned Gurus,

>

> While reflecting on whether I should meditate on Brahman in a Nirguna or

> Sagun aspect, I understand that it is much easier to do so on the Sagun

> aspect as you have finite things to put your mind on. But deep inside I know

> that Brahman is Formless, so if I think of Brahman as Birthless, undecaying,

> deathless, without beginning or end, unmanifest, infinite, a witness,

> formless, pure without any vasanas, self illuminating, the only truth.

> omnipotent, omniscient, etc., etc., how can I categorize these qualities?

> These are definitely not attributes and neither are they descriptive

> adjactives ( or are they?) nor do they represent a quality. So *WHAT* are

> these?

>

> Secondly Sir, is it ok to reflect on such Nirguna qualities with the aim of

> a better understanding of the Self?

>

> Hari Om and Pranaams!

>

> Sunil

>

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Sunilji - PraNAms

 

I think some one has recommended to study the scriptures under a competent guru

to have a clear understanding what is saguna and nirguna imply.

 

You cannot meditate on nirguna- or any-THING you meditate on has to have saguna

- the attributes.

 

Nirguna is negation of guNas - It goes with the statement na iti na iti - not

this not this as any -this- has gunas - Hence all those things you have

specified - starting from say - infinite - is to negate all that you can

meditate on or conceptualize is not that. By rejecting anything and everything

that you can meditate on you arrive at only one solution the meditator, the

subject, himself who cannot be negated or meditated. To arrive at that ultimate

truth is what the teaching is meant for. For that only a proper study of

scriptures is essential.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Sunil Goel <sunilgoel29 wrote:

 

 

Sunil Goel <sunilgoel29

Swaroopa of Nirguna

advaitin

Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 9:08 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected and learned Gurus,

 

While reflecting on whether I should meditate on Brahman in a Nirguna or Sagun

aspect, I understand that it is much easier to do so on the Sagun aspect as you

have finite things to put your mind on. But deep inside I know that Brahman is

Formless, so if I think of Brahman as Birthless, undecaying, deathless, without

beginning or end, unmanifest, infinite, a witness, formless, pure without any

vasanas, self illuminating, the only truth. omnipotent, omniscient, etc., etc.,

how can I categorize these qualities? These are definitely not attributes and

neither are they descriptive adjactives ( or are they?) nor do they represent a

quality. So WHAT are these?

 

Secondly Sir, is it ok to reflect on such Nirguna qualities with the aim of

a better understanding of the Self?

 

Hari Om and Pranaams!

 

Sunil

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advaitin , Sunil Goel <sunilgoel29 wrote:

>

> Respected and learned Gurus,

> I know that Brahman is Formless, so if I think of Brahman as Birthless,

undecaying, deathless, without beginning or end, unmanifest, infinite, a

witness, formless, pure without any vasanas, self illuminating, the only truth.

omnipotent, omniscient, etc., etc.,

> Hari Om and Pranaams!

>

> Sunil

>

Hari Om Shri Sunil Goelji, Pranaams!

 

If one only thinks of Brahman as such and such it is only upAsana. Only when he

thinks of that Brahman as he(AtmA) himself, that is called

samAdhi-abhyAsa(meditation).

 

To meditate of oneself as not other than Brahman with your list, it is termed as

hrdi-antar-shabda-anuviddha-savikalpa-samAdhiH. (drg-drSya-viveka verse 25).

sva-anubhUti-rasa-AveshAt savikalpaH drshyashabdau upekShya nirvikalpaH samAdhiH

bhavati. (verse 26)

 

tat brahma tvam asi iti Atmani bhAvaya. (Vivekachoodamani verses 254 - 263)

 

In Shri Guru Smriti,

Br. Pranipata Chaitanya

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