Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Namaste Sastri-ji, Sattvasound-ji and advaitins, (From a slightly different angle and welcoming any corrections or rebuttals) It is a difficult subject and is all the more so if we forget that in Vedanta the mind is inert. So also are objects. However the difference between objects and the mind is that the mind is transparent and the objects are opaque. Being transparent means that it can in its limited way take the form of the objects that it is directed towards. The witness is pure consciousness limited by the mind and the object is a limiting adjunct (upadhi) of pure consciousness. They share the same substratum. The clarity and transparency of the mind allows it to take whatever shape it is projected on to. Perception ensues. Difficulties arise. Is there such a place or condition as 'in the mind'? Is this 'in' or locus essentially a pictorial or imagistic analogy? Is this 'in' essentially a superimposition? Might it not be truer to say that we see through the mind and that we place the mind 'in' us because we are the source of the organs of perception? This mention of the organs of perception brings on the conundrum: If we had organs of a different type would not objects appear differently? It seems undeniable that they would but what is the metaphysical significance of this admission? For Vedanta the reality of the object is its substratum so our connection to it is apprehends its reality even through varying appearances. There is " unity of the consciousness reflected in the means of knowledge with the Consciousness limited by the object " (pg.13 trans.VP). A psychological focus, can mislead one into thinking that the metaphysical 'construction' of the objects takes place via the organs 'in' the mind. This I believe is incorrect and I think the remarks of Shankara in Brh.Up. II.iv.11 bear this out. Metaphysically speaking the organs are on the same level as the objects. I have quoted this passage before but bear with me because it is of profound significance. " .... the Sruti considers the organs to be of the same category as the objects, not of a different category. The organs are but modes of the objects in order to perceive them, as a lamp, which is but a mode of colour, is an instrument for revealing all colours. Similarly, the organs are but modes of all particular objects in order to perceive them, as is the case with a lamp. Hence no special care is to be taken to indicate the dissolution of the organs; for these being the same as objects in general, their dissolution is implied by that of the object. " The point that is relevant to our present discussion is that the organs have no constitutional power in relation to objects, they are on the same level (of the same category) as them. Best Wishes, Michael. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2729 - Release 03/07/10 19:34:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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