buddhi and shravana/mumukshutva

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Dear all,Pranamsbuddhis value on the jnana path is immense and central. Its capacities of discrimination and division are basic in viveka which again helps with nearly everything on the path of vedanta.Yet there are two qualities with which the buddhi is of no help at all, at least I cannot see its role: in shravana and in mumukshutva. I also fail to see how these could be "trained". Instead it seems they are pure grace, Ishvara prasada. They happen or they don't.I would welcome your comments.Om ShantiSitaraVon: shyam_md <shyam_mdAn: advaitin Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 25. März 2010, 1:41:41 UhrBetreff: Re: samadhana and nidhidyasana

 

 

Pranams Sitara-ji, Dhanya-ji and other respected followers of this thread.

 

To begin with here is a link for an essay about samadhana by Pujya Swami Dayananda-ji which will hopefully make the concept quite clear for our understanding.

http://www.avgsatsa ng.org/hhpsds/ pdf/FOCUS_ SAMADHANA. PDF

 

Now the question is - why is it seemingly enjoy an exalted status amongst all the qualifications for a student seeker, a mumukshu? The reason is that a mind equipped with this one quality alone has the capacity to gain self-realization.

 

In the words of the Katha Upanishad this is very strikingly explained.

Na aviratah Na asantah Na asamahitah..

One cannot obtain Self knowledge if one has not desisted from bad conduct, if one's senses are not under control AND whose mind is not concentrated (i.e. singlepointed)

 

Samadhana is not exclusively related to nidhidhyasana - it is equally valid, nay indispensible, in the realm of karmayoga, where-in the mind is devoutly focussed on saguna Brahman (Ishwara) until such time as it is rendered capable of taking flight to the loftier peaks of atma vichara.

 

Hari OM

Shri Gurubhyoh namah

Shyam

 

advaitin@ s.com, Sitara Mitali <smitali17@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Dhanyaji,

>

> Pranams

>

> whereas I totally agree with what you said about nidhidyasana, I have a different view of samadhana (which is still "in the making", so to say).

>

> What you described as samadhana seems to me the natural result of a combination of shama, dama and maybe also uparati. It does not seem to do justice to the very high position of smadhana as the last of the shatka sampatti and the one before last of all ten.

>

> I think one has to look deeper into it, considering 1. the fact of its position in the chatushtaya sampatti and 2. that is has been desribed as something happending IN the buddhi.

> One really needs to take the study of Vedanta as one's

> top commitment. Yes, one will probably need to work,

> and one may have family and perhaps community commitments,

> (and they can all help with one's sadhana

> from the POV of karma yoga), but one's

> highest priority should be listening to

> the teachings and focusing on gaining the vision

> which they have to give.

>

 

 

 

 

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Pranams Sitaraji

 

Shravana is not a mechanical listening to the words of the acharya-upadesha. It is very much an active understanding of the words of the Shruti as unfolded by the Guru. Not only the words have to be understood but memory has to be strong to retain the words and relate previously understood concepts to the subsequent explanations. Without a prepared buddhi this task is quite simply impossible.

 

Mumukshutva or desire for freedom is directly borne of the intensity of vairagya or dispassion - the intensity of vairagya in turn is directly proportional to the viveka - the capacity to discriminate and ascertain the fundamental problem of samsara and limitation - and thus here to we find that bereft of the capacity for viveka, mumukshutvam is also not likely to be intensive.

 

And what is the intellect but Grace - in fact viveka, vairagya, mumukshutvam, an appropriate Guru, the capacity to hear, assimilate, memorize, etc etc are all Grace. Grace is but Brahman.

 

Hari OM

Shri Gurubhyoh namah

Shyam--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Sitara Mitali <smitali17 wrote:

Sitara Mitali <smitali17 buddhi and shravana/mumukshutvaadvaitin Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:59 AM

 

 

Dear all,

 

Pranams

 

buddhis value on the jnana path is immense and central. Its capacities of discrimination and division are basic in viveka which again helps with nearly everything on the path of vedanta.

 

Yet there are two qualities with which the buddhi is of no help at all, at least I cannot see its role: in shravana and in mumukshutva. I also fail to see how these could be "trained". Instead it seems they are pure grace, Ishvara prasada. They happen or they don't.

 

I would welcome your comments.

 

Om Shanti

Sitara

 

 

 

 

Von: shyam_md <shyam_md >An: advaitin@ s.comGesendet: Donnerstag, den 25. März 2010, 1:41:41 UhrBetreff: Re: samadhana and nidhidyasana

Pranams Sitara-ji, Dhanya-ji and other respected followers of this thread.To begin with here is a link for an essay about samadhana by Pujya Swami Dayananda-ji which will hopefully make the concept quite clear for our understanding.http://www.avgsatsa ng.org/hhpsds/ pdf/FOCUS_ SAMADHANA. PDFNow the question is - why is it seemingly enjoy an exalted status amongst all the qualifications for a student seeker, a mumukshu? The reason is that a mind equipped with this one quality alone has the capacity to gain self-realization.In the words of the Katha Upanishad this is very strikingly explained.Na aviratah Na asantah Na asamahitah..One cannot obtain Self knowledge if one has not desisted from bad conduct, if one's senses are not under control AND whose mind is not concentrated (i.e. singlepointed)Samadhana is not

exclusively related to nidhidhyasana - it is equally valid, nay indispensible, in the realm of karmayoga, where-in the mind is devoutly focussed on saguna Brahman (Ishwara) until such time as it is rendered capable of taking flight to the loftier peaks of atma vichara.Hari OMShri Gurubhyoh namahShyamadvaitin@ s.com, Sitara Mitali <smitali17@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Dhanyaji,> > Pranams> > whereas I totally agree with what you said about nidhidyasana, I have a different view of samadhana (which is still "in the making", so to say).> > What you described as samadhana seems to me the natural result of a combination of shama, dama and maybe also uparati. It does not seem to do justice to the very high

position of smadhana as the last of the shatka sampatti and the one before last of all ten.> > I think one has to look deeper into it, considering 1. the fact of its position in the chatushtaya sampatti and 2. that is has been desribed as something happending IN the buddhi.> One really needs to take the study of Vedanta as one's> top commitment. Yes, one will probably need to work,> and one may have family and perhaps community commitments,> (and they can all help with one's sadhana> from the POV of karma yoga), but one's > highest priority should be listening to> the teachings and focusing on gaining the vision > which they have to give.>

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