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advaitin , Amitha Krishnamurthi <amitha@g...>

wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:43:57 -0000, Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

>

>

> advaitin , Amitha Krishnamurthi <amitha@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > In response...

> >

> > " Instead of mentally worshipping your

> > Ishtadevata/Guru, replace the image with an image of yourself.

You

> > will find the same results, for you are imaging your own higher

> self

> > which has no image really. "

> >

> > and subsequently

> >

> > " Only the Ego is holding the body

> > and mind constructs together. Once the Ego is gone and the body

> > drops with the exhaustion of prarabda karma--------there is no

> > common thread. No imprint not anything just the Self. "

> >

> > Since the whole idea of spiritual evolution becomes ridding the

> Self

> > of Ego....how is it going to help me if I meditate upon myself

> > mentally??? I for one, find the thought unpalatable... &

definitely

> > feel that it feeds the Ego rather than trying to get rid of it...

> . "

> >

> > It is obviously difficult to meditate on a Nirguna Brahman..which

> is

> > where forms come into play...they help in our quest for

spiritual

> > evolution..Picking up a form does not indicate fear...it

indicates

> > your readiness to move upwards in the process of " realization " .

> >

> > What I was trying to say in my earlier mail is that the Nirguna

> > Brahman acts through the form that appeals to the

Individual...the

> > form might be that of a Guru, a God, an Avatar...even a pious

> ancestor

> > in your family.. If Maharishi realized that he was/is the

SELF...he

> > still exists..since the SELF doesn't perish..he can still

manifest

> > himself in any " Form " he chooses to...to his Bhaktas he will

> appear as

> > he was...that does not mean he exists in the astral level...nor

> does

> > that mean he didn't realize Godhood.

> >

> > " We have to realise that we are Praneaswara or the Sakti, and at

> that

> > point we realise Nirguna/Moksha "

> >

> > The texts can help us only to a certain point...after which the

> > experience is what will lead us....the texts tell us that we are

> the

> > Self...but IMHO, any amount of outward analysis is not going to

> help

> > much in crossing that bridge between knowlede from the texts..and

> > realization for oneself...introspection is the need of the hour.

> >

> > In this context..it does become true that without Bhakti..the

whole

> > thing is an exercise akin to mental gymnastics.

> >

> > Regards

> > Amitha

>

> Namaste A,IMHO,

>

> A couple of points here; I used 'the image of oneself' as an

> example. The Higher Self has no form and it is we who give it a

> form, any form. Nir-guna cannot act at all through anything, that

is

> a contradiction in terms.

>

> 'Ramana' cannot manifest himself in any form to the devotee as he

> that body/mind doesn't exist. It has gone back to the elements. It

> is the devotee's subconscious that does the manifesting. Sure

Ramana

> was the Self but the body was just carrying out its predetermined

> prarabda karma unitil it dropped. During this time it went through

> the appearance of Bhakti, actions etc.

>

> Bhakti is much misunderstood. To many it is the devotion and the

> emotion they call Bhakti, but it is more than that. Being devoted

to

> the path of Jnana without any forms at all is still devotion. For

it

> is the search for the Self, which is the aim of all yogas. Most

> Yogas are about concentration and one pointedness, suitable to the

> sahdhaka.

>

> All actions are predetermined by prarabda karma, there is no 'God'

> organising our lives, the energy is provided that's all. We have

> only the choice in attitude that is all, not in the result.

>

> To a follower of Bhakti Marga this may sound dry and unspiritual,

> but to an Advaitin on the Jnana Marga, it is the essence of

Sadhana--

> --lifting the veil.

>

> Religion for example is possibly a crutch, but to a one-legged man

a

> crutch is most useful.

>

> I suppose when we realise we are just part of a dream, it

> ends.......ONS...Tony.

>

>

 

In which case I suppose all the great pillars of the advaitin

doctrine..all those who paved the way for others to follow... were

one-legged.. so to speak.

although I always thought there was a message for us in that these

great souls had a judicious mix of bhakti in their quest for

realization.

 

besides..I seek to explain again that I didn't mean that Ramana would

manifest himself..I said the Nirguna Brahman adopts the " form " of

Ramana to those who find it appealing..just like other " forms " such

as

Shiva, Vishnu etc..

this would..going by the doctrine of advaita...indicate an evolvement

spiritually...and would possibly eventually lead to realizing that

one

should move from " form " to " formless " before realizing that, that too

is an illusion.

 

regards

Amitha

--- End forwarded message ---

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