Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 atma_vichara , mssatheesh <mssatheesh> wrote: Dear Viswanath/Chandran This is Satheesh kumar here.Just a few words on this aspect of Bhakthi & Jnana.. Sri Bhagavan has indeed mentioned that Bhakthi is Jnana Matha,implying Bhakthi will LEAD one to Jnana. And, Jnana is not any dry logic as its misunderstood some times..Bhagavan has mentioned that, Mano nasa/Destruction of the Mind, is the highest form of Bhakthi. Its the 'Loss of Ego/Individuality' which is the HIGHEST form of Bhakthi/SURRENDER,as Bhagavan Himself has said several times. This actually means surrendering ourselves to God/Guru,and there is nothing/none remaining to be surrendered once this happens by the GRACE of Bhagavan. Again,Bhagavan has remarked several times that, Surrender & Enquiry actually means the same ,though they may seem to take different routes to reach the SOURCE. If we have surrendered completely,then there cannot be any complaints/worries.Similarly,when the Enquiry happens with full attention,the mind stays in 'I am'..and this can happen only when we Surrender ourselves to Bhagavan and pursue the Path..So in effect, there is only ONE PATH, which is a combination of Bhakthi & Jnana.. Ego takes form thro the thoughts and Enquiry eliminates the same.and,in the absence of thoughts there cannot be any feeling of being superior/inferior to others..As Bhagavan has repeatedly said,Our Duty is to BE STILL..and the more we pratice (BY HIS GRACE) ,the more we tend to LIVE in the PRESENT and abide in the SOURCE. Also, Bhagavan has encouraged the devotees to combine different forms of Practice like Devotion/Enquiry/Chanting etc, to suit the varying modes of our minds.. When Sri Kunju Swami(one of the close devotees of Bhagavan who came to Thiruvannamalai in 1920 and, who had the VERY RARE opportunity of Serving Bhagavan physically for many years) asked Bhagavan about the Service to Guru once, Bhagavan has told him that, " the Real Service is in putting to Practice the words of the Guru.Doing Physical service etc ,are all only Secondary.If you continuously do Vichara/Dhyana/Parayana etc without letting your mind in worldly matters,that is the HIGHEST SERVICE to the GURU " .. Yours in Sri Bnagavan, Satheesh kumar --- viswanath pulabaigari <pvisup> wrote: > Dear Chandran, > > Sri Ramana Maharshi says, bhakti is gnana mata > (i.e., > mother to jnana). Actually as one matures and > advances > in Jnana Marga one is bound to become a devotee. > This, I think is an indication of advancement in the > > path. > > As the ego is loosing its grip, one becomes humble, > soft. Naturally at this state, one is attracted > towards > bhakti. > > Somewhere in Talks, I read Maharshi commenting > something like: > " what is the use of dry logic ....... > when it instead increases ego...than reducing it " > > So, I feel, one should remember that, AtmaVichara > is not applying dry logic or it is not yet another > intellectual game. > > So, according to me, you are in the right path. > > With best wishes > Viswanath. > > > Message: 3 > > Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:42:17 +0100 (BST) > > chandran parlikkatt > <cparlikkatt> > > BHAKTI > > > > Dear All, > > > > Even though the knowledge of SELF is a Jnana > Marga( > > Methode of Knowledge), the history shows that even > > those great souls who have removed maya(Mind) and > > realised the TRUTH seem to be involved in the acts > > of > > BHAKTI (Devotion). Sree Rama Krishna, Sree > > Sankaracharya and our SWAMI Sri Ramana Maharshi > also > > were involved in Devotional rituals. > > > > When ever I think of spiritual developments I am > > more > > attracted towards Bhakti. I don't want to be a > > Master, > > but would like to be under the protection of a > > Master. > > When I read the boy sitting on the stool near to > > SWAMI > > carrying the basket full of fruits, I want to be > > like > > him. I just want to enjoy such devine moments > only. > > I > > > === message truncated === > > ___________________ ___ > India Matrimony: Find your life partner > online > Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 -Dear Satheesh, dear you have found better words than I have to explain the merging of Jnana and Bhakti Marga. Thanks Chris -- In advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > atma_vichara , mssatheesh <mssatheesh> > wrote: > Dear Viswanath/Chandran > This is Satheesh kumar here.Just a few words on this > aspect of Bhakthi & Jnana.. > > Sri Bhagavan has indeed mentioned that Bhakthi is > Jnana Matha,implying Bhakthi will LEAD one to Jnana. > And, Jnana is not any dry logic as its misunderstood > some times..Bhagavan has mentioned that, Mano > nasa/Destruction of the Mind, is the highest form of > Bhakthi. > Its the 'Loss of Ego/Individuality' which is the > HIGHEST form of Bhakthi/SURRENDER,as Bhagavan Himself > has said several times. This actually means > surrendering ourselves to God/Guru,and there is > nothing/none remaining to be surrendered once this > happens by the GRACE of Bhagavan. > > Again,Bhagavan has remarked several times that, > Surrender & Enquiry actually means the same ,though > they may seem to take different routes to reach the > SOURCE. > If we have surrendered completely,then there cannot be > any complaints/worries.Similarly,when the Enquiry > happens with full attention,the mind stays in 'I > am'..and this can happen only when we Surrender > ourselves to Bhagavan and pursue the Path..So in > effect, there is only ONE PATH, which is a combination > of Bhakthi & Jnana.. > > > Ego takes form thro the thoughts and Enquiry > eliminates the same.and,in the absence of thoughts > there cannot be any feeling of being superior/inferior > to others..As Bhagavan has repeatedly said,Our Duty is > to BE STILL..and the more we pratice (BY HIS GRACE) > ,the more we tend to LIVE in the PRESENT and abide in > the SOURCE. > > Also, Bhagavan has encouraged the devotees to combine > different forms of Practice like > Devotion/Enquiry/Chanting etc, to suit the varying > modes of our minds.. When Sri Kunju Swami(one of the > close devotees of Bhagavan who came to Thiruvannamalai > in 1920 and, who had the VERY RARE opportunity of > Serving Bhagavan physically for many years) asked > Bhagavan about the Service to Guru once, Bhagavan has > told him that, " the Real Service is in putting to > Practice the words of the Guru.Doing Physical service > etc ,are all only Secondary.If you continuously do > Vichara/Dhyana/Parayana etc without letting your mind > in worldly matters,that is the HIGHEST SERVICE to the > GURU " .. > Yours in Sri Bnagavan, > Satheesh kumar > > > > > > --- viswanath pulabaigari <pvisup> wrote: > > > Dear Chandran, > > > > Sri Ramana Maharshi says, bhakti is gnana mata > > (i.e., > > mother to jnana). Actually as one matures and > > advances > > in Jnana Marga one is bound to become a devotee. > > This, I think is an indication of advancement in the > > > > path. > > > > As the ego is loosing its grip, one becomes humble, > > soft. Naturally at this state, one is attracted > > towards > > bhakti. > > > > Somewhere in Talks, I read Maharshi commenting > > something like: > > " what is the use of dry logic ....... > > when it instead increases ego...than reducing it " > > > > So, I feel, one should remember that, AtmaVichara > > is not applying dry logic or it is not yet another > > intellectual game. > > > > So, according to me, you are in the right path. > > > > With best wishes > > Viswanath. > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:42:17 +0100 (BST) > > > chandran parlikkatt > > <cparlikkatt> > > > BHAKTI > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Even though the knowledge of SELF is a Jnana > > Marga( > > > Methode of Knowledge), the history shows that even > > > those great souls who have removed maya(Mind) and > > > realised the TRUTH seem to be involved in the acts > > > of > > > BHAKTI (Devotion). Sree Rama Krishna, Sree > > > Sankaracharya and our SWAMI Sri Ramana Maharshi > > also > > > were involved in Devotional rituals. > > > > > > When ever I think of spiritual developments I am > > > more > > > attracted towards Bhakti. I don't want to be a > > > Master, > > > but would like to be under the protection of a > > > Master. > > > When I read the boy sitting on the stool near to > > > SWAMI > > > carrying the basket full of fruits, I want to be > > > like > > > him. I just want to enjoy such devine moments > > only. > > > I > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ___________________ > ___ > > India Matrimony: Find your life partner > > online > > Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote. > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 advaitajnana , " indianorange27 " <christianecameron@m...> wrote: > > -Dear Satheesh, dear > > you have found better words than I have to explain the merging of Jnana and Bhakti > Marga. > > Thanks > Chris Namaste Chris, Yes in illusion one has to understand that there is a lower mind and body and an intellect. The lower mind and body contain emotion and use the energy more so. So it is a marriage between the mind and emotions of Bhakti and the Intellect of the Vijnanamayakosa. Both ending up in the same place, for there is only one place to go or be..............ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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