Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 > 5: Life cannot be a dream because our bodies bleed and break – in the exact same way they would in a nightmare that cannot be what it is: a dream. A collection of thoughts called " " wrote: P: Yes, to call life a dream, is a fool's comfort. You cann't get rid of suffering by labeling unreal, or by saying there is no doer, or sufferer. Suffering whether in a nightmare or awake is still suffering. A madman'ssuffering is real even if his hallucinations are not. And responsability for suffering has to be shouldered. =-= Over two years ago Kundalini exploded -- the explosion and its laughter should have killed me. Had I thought of death it would have only made me laugh harder. Papaji tells us about this hysterical " I am god " laughter. I have been thinking about what it was that was so funny. It was an unfathomable Awareness that everything in my past had been a dream; the universe was my dream. I cannot explain it. But I will never be the same. About all the pain and suffering in the world: the more misery and pain in my life the harder I would have laughed to realize that it was all just a dream. I think back and can now accept – that the worst torture, misery and pain a person could suffer would not even be a drop in the proverbial ocean compared to the Samadhi, Kundalini, Nirvana that will wake us up either before death or with it. =-= The collection of thoughts called " " also wrote: P: Could it be { and this is a wild guess } that Krishna is just an imaginary sacred straw dummy and that the high priest of the day was the ventriloquist who put those words in his mouth to please the warrior class? After all, religions from time immemorial have blessed all the wars fought by the ruling class. =-= There is a major problem when it comes to all scriptures. This is especially true with the Bible. They start off to give us the simple facts, like Reality, Silence, but our minds cannot understand SIMPLICITY, Silence,and so the scriptures have to use noise, words, thoughts, to explain Silence. To put it simply: because a mind, person , cannot understand Silence, Reality, scriptures have to go on all sorts of wild-goose- chases with the words that can hopefully explain Reality, Silence, to the seeker – when there is literally nothing but Silence to seek. Krishna does this in the Gita – he tells Arjuna that there are are no doers, no previous lives. Arjuna, thoughts, cannot understand this and so Krishna, the Gita, goes on about all the previous lives, reincarnations. About reincarnation: Ramesh Balsekar's " Consciousness Speaks " finally put everything together for me, after three years of utter confusion. If there is no Doer in this dream we call life, then reincarnation (previous Doers) has to be myth, just another dream. Going back to the scriptures: Advaita means that all there is Reality, Silence and Silence's Nothing. Silence's Nothing is thoughts. Thoughts come out of Nothing only to return to be Nothing. Each one of us can discover this for ourselves with/in meditation. To understand Silence with thoughts, a mind, is impossible. Thoughts are by definition a disturbance of Silence. How can a disturbance of Silence understand Silence? It cannot. This is the formidable problem that all the Advaita scriptures face for their verbal wild- goose-chases. Advaita means not-two. Advaita means that if there is no-two there cannot be a Doer. The core of every sacred scripture tells us that there is no Doer. But the collection of thoughts we call " the mind " is a Doer – and so we have books and books and books of scriptures that have to tell all of us, minds - doers, about all the doers, like gods and demons and devils, for us Arjunas. If there is no Doer then life has to be a dream that is exactly like a movie that has already been made – the mind and its collection of thoughts called body are just going through the motions. (Movies are just another dream inside a dream, that is inside of limitless numbers of dreams, called TV channels. Why not? ) To put is simply: if there is a Doer then we have to throw Advaita out the proverbial window. It is that simple, just like Silence itself. If there is no Doer then the words choice, freedom, pain, pleasure are just disturbances of Silence we call words. If there is no Doer then all there is, is Silence = Reality = Samadhi = Kundalini = Nirvana and Silence's Nothing we call thoughts. We have at least three collection of thoughts the saints of old, like Shankara, did not have for their scriptures. These three collection of thought scream at us that Reality, Silence is all there is; and Silence's Nothing is called thoughts. These modern collection of thoughts we call physics, computers, TV's etc. If we study physics we will quickly learn that sub-atomic particles are nothing but thoughts. Like thoughts they come out of Nothing only to return into Silence's Nothing. Like thoughts the observer determines the observation. If the observer wants to see particles then the observer creates the thoughts called particles; and if the observer wants to see waves the observer will create particles into waves. (HELL-O: If we see words we call them truths if we want truths, and if we want lies the same words will be lies.) It is literally impossible for a wave to be a particle but physics tells us they are. The only way a wave can be a particle is if they are both thoughts. Physics is screaming at us that particles, waves, are nothing but thoughts. It goes far, far deeper. Lets take a collection of thoughts, particles. Physics tells us that matter cannot exist because it is, at best, a probability-cloud. Then Einstein's physics tells us that there is no energy because energy, light, has no time. Then Einstein tells us that mass = energy. And if mass = energy then it also has to equal everything else in E=mc2, c=speed = distance, space, and time PHYSICS is telling us that energy= mass = distance = space = time. Does this add up to Advaita? It has to. Then Physics tells us that there is also no gravity because it is just a warp in space and time….. it goes on until everything ends up in Advaita's Nothing that physics calls its black-holes. Lets take physic's thoughts (particles) one step further. When non-existent gravity collapses the mass of planets and stars, it ends up in a neutron star, then a black-hole. This means that everything in the universe is made up of the thoughts that physics calls neutrons. A collection of neutrons forms an atom. An atom would be equivalent to the collection of thoughts we call a sleep-dream. A collection of thoughts called atoms are called molecules. The molecule is the equivalent of the collection of thoughts we call a mind. Is this screaming ADVAITA. For those of us who insist that the mortal-dream, called life, cannot be the same as the dreams we have in our sleep – PHYSICS screams at us that the collection of neutrons in a molecule might not be anything like the collection of neutrons in atoms but they are exactly the same. HELL-O Computers and their binary-language also scream exactly the same ADVAITA story that physics screams at us, as does hypnosis. But that will need another Shankara to explain. Namaste Semmi semmin @ excite.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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