Advaita and dreams

[Guest guest]

A collection-of-thoughts wrote:

No, we don't throw Advaita out of the

window, for its use is in the very duality that we live in. Saying

that the world is a dream may be okay when it is said to oneself as

part of sadhana, but proclaiming it to the world may not be okay

because it belies the words one speaks when one is still being

compelled by the reality of the world to speak to it.

 

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For three years I read everything I could addictively to get at the

core of this Advaita. The majority of it made no sense because it was

Dualistic (subject and objects) and Advaita is not-two.

There was a core of information however that never changed from saint

to saint from Guru to Guru.

Ramana said it the best with: " take life to be a dream and be

done

with it. "

 

For all those of us on a crusade another saint (I think it was

Nisargadatta) said: think of life being inside a dream in which we

are trying to save everyone in this dream before we are willing to

wake up. THIS literally says everything that has to be said about

ADVAITA, SILENCE, REALITY we call also call LOVE, Samadhi, Nirvana,

Bliss.

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" but proclaiming it to the world may not be okay " –

 

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But I am not only the world but the universe. Krishna said it to

Arjuna and I am both Krishna and Arjuna. That is Advaita. If I=YOU

am not the same Consciousness that is also Arjuna and Krishna then

I=YOU have to throw Advaita out the window. It is as simple as

Silence itself.

 

Life is like a movie that is already made. We, the mind and their

body, are just going through the motions. Thus there is no Doer. If

there is no doer in this mortal-dream we call life, then there can

be no Doers in other lives. Thus reincarnation is just a thought, and

a collection of thoughts is a dream.

 

Reincarnation is like a dream inside of a dream. Reincarnation is no

different from watching different TV channels. (e.g. I remember

another life, or was it on TV or a dream)This is Advaita. To

complicate Advaita, Silence, with more and more thoughts and

scriptures is to try and explain Stillness with bigger and bigger

disturbance, waves.

 

If there is no-doer than there is no choice or freedom. I have no

choice to write this to myself because that is the way this movie

called life was made, written.

 

Without a doer there is no choice or freedom to think or do anything.

Ramana says this the best.

 

If the seeker thinks he has a choice to use thoughts to seek Silence

the only choice worth thinking about is:

 

1 – I can use thoughts and then more thoughts to build bigger

and

bigger walls I need to understand Silence.

 

2 – I can use thoughts to negate, kill, eliminate the thoughts,

truths, dreams, realities, that my mind has built up for/around

Silence.

 

Only if we use thoughts to find the holes in the realities thoughts

give us can we hope to understand that thoughts (that include

physic's neutrons) are dreams. Only when thoughts become dreams

can

we hope to understand the background without which there can be no

thoughts. The background is Consciousness, Reality, Silence.

 

The biggest hole in the reality we call mortal-life is time. There is

no time because a thought is the same as a memory. Physics also

screams at us, from all is directions, that there is no time.

 

I write this to myself, YOU=I=THAT, with a hope that sooner or later

all these thoughts will have to self destruct each other to leave me

to be the Silence that I really am.

 

Namaste

Semmi

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advaitajnana , " semminincs " <semmin@e...>

wrote:

Life is like a movie that is already made. We, the mind and their

body, are just going through the motions. Thus there is no Doer. If

there is no doer in this mortal-dream we call life, then there can

be no Doers in other lives. Thus reincarnation is just a thought, and

a collection of thoughts is a dream.

 

Reincarnation is like a dream inside of a dream. Reincarnation is no

different from watching different TV channels. (e.g. I remember

another life, or was it on TV or a dream)This is Advaita. To

complicate Advaita, Silence, with more and more thoughts and

scriptures is to try and explain Stillness with bigger and bigger

disturbance, waves.

 

If there is no-doer than there is no choice or freedom. I have no

choice to write this to myself because that is the way this movie

called life was made, written.

 

Without a doer there is no choice or freedom to think or do anything.

Ramana says this the best.

 

Namaste,

 

Yes it is a problem on sites, for there are all kind of levels of

development and no matter the title of the site, people identify at

their own level. If we were truly advaitns we wouldn't be here

writing, we are 'Aspiring', but even that isn't true for it is all

in a dream, that can only be experienced whilst we believe it is

true. Once we don't believe we and the dream disappear

IMO.....ONS..Tony.

[Guest guest]

> Namaste,

>

> Yes it is a problem on sites, for there are all kind of levels of

> development and no matter the title of the site, people identify at

> their own level. If we were truly advaitns we wouldn't be here

> writing, we are 'Aspiring', but even that isn't true for it is all

> in a dream, that can only be experienced whilst we believe it is

> true. Once we don't believe we and the dream disappear

> IMO.....ONS..Tony.

 

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Some Yogis can leave their body and not return I am told.

 

So far that has not been an option for me. I just keep breaking these

walls down that my mind has built out of its real-thoughts to turn

this mortal-life into the dream it is. And it is a dream with a Joy

that is far far beyond my wildest dreams. But this joy has only come

since I take, accept, life to be a dream.

If other minds can get strength from my dreams then it is just a

part of my dream called Maya in which I am them.

 

There are no answers to why we have to do things that we cannot be

doing. The joke is that what we write, and think, has absolutely

nothing to do what the reader will create out of it for his dream.

Thus we have words that one calls a lie and another calls the same

words a truth.

 

As you say there are all sorts of levels. I must have read

Papaji's " The Truth Is " and " Nothing Happened " five or six

times. The first time I understood little to nothing – but every

now and then a sentence would make me cry with joy. I kept going

back, I think, for this joy. Each time I re-read the book I could

not believe that I had basically never read it before.

" I AM THAT " was the same. And many others. I kept reading addictively

until the addiction was gone. When the addiction was gone reading

could only disturb the Joy, Silence. Now my body-mind has to write

addictively to myself for the same Maya that made me read

addictively.

 

If I could leave this body to end this Maya of futile doings … well

it would only work if I did not try.

 

Namaste

Semmi