Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: advaitin , Devireddy Ravindra Reddy <dravi34> wrote: > > > From the standpoint of the limited ego, who perceives the world, Brahman without undergoing any change is the cause of the world. The rope mistaken for a snake can be taken as an example. From the standpoint of the rope there is no snake. From the standpoint of the snake, the rope without undergoing any change, is the cause of the snake. This is Vivartha Vada. > > So both Vadas are OK. Only the standpoints vary. > > Hari Om. > > D.Ravindra Reddy. e mail: dravi34 Namaste, This is all very fine and repeating the earlier post. However my point, if I have one, is that there is no problem of mistaking a rope for a snake for ultimately ......there is no rope at all!!!! For the potentiality of dualism or appearance even is ever Saguna which is unreal. Nirguna is Nirguna---nothing ever happened....ONS...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > > advaitin , Devireddy Ravindra Reddy > <dravi34> wrote: > > > > > > From the standpoint of the limited ego, who perceives the world, > Brahman without undergoing any change is the cause of the world. > The rope mistaken for a snake can be taken as an example. From the > standpoint of the rope there is no snake. From the standpoint of > the snake, the rope without undergoing any change, is the cause of > the snake. This is Vivartha Vada. > > > > So both Vadas are OK. Only the standpoints vary. > > > > Hari Om. > > > > D.Ravindra Reddy. e mail: dravi34 > > Namaste, > > This is all very fine and repeating the earlier post. However my > point, if I have one, is that there is no problem of mistaking a > rope for a snake for ultimately ......there is no rope at all!!!! > For the potentiality of dualism or appearance even is ever Saguna > which is unreal. Nirguna is Nirguna---nothing ever > happened....ONS...Tony. Namaste,Continuing, If there were a real appearance of creation then it would not disappear in deep sleep. It would not disappear on the dropping of the body of a Mukta. There is no rope in the first place, there is only Nirguna. This is not nihilist for Nirguna Brahman is accepted. We can accept the so called appearance to make progress, but many cannot face the idea that the appearance isn't even there and never happened. This is a fear, and is not really true non dualism. It is a clinging to Saguna as the reality not admitting Nirguna, it is not Ajata. It is a clinging to culture, religion, beliefs and ideas, that make up the 'individual person'. It is a taking of the teachings of the Sages and finding a level that one is comfortable with and can fit them together, preserving one's individuality. There is no time ultimately, even science admits to this relative phenonema. It has been even scientifically proven, that time can be different to different people in different circumstances. So if there is no time, what can unfold? So it can only be an illusion that rises with our perception whilst we are in it. However as it disappears in deep sleep and Moksha/Dropping of the body and connection with Sakti, then it obviously never ever happened. For either we are 'God' or we are not. As there is only One, then there cannot even be illusion or delusion. There never was a rope to have illusions about.....there is only Nirguna..........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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