More on Ajata and Sankara

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advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <RamChandran@a...>

wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Tony:

>

> If there is no time, no world, and the state of bodiless moksha,

then

> we shouldn't writing or discussing. Since we are not at that

level,

> we need to understood Shankara's teaching with respect to the

level

> where we see time, world, etc. Honestly we both are under

illusions -

> you with the illusion that you have already reached the state of

> bodiless moksha and I with the illusion to look for the path to

find

> the state of bodiless moksha!

>

> The discussants do understand your contention which is valid for

the

> realized souls. What the discussants want to know is why we are

in

> the present status and whether the teachings of Sankara can help

us

> to go beyond time, world and body-mind-intellect based

perceptions.

> The question is rather complex and your simplified approach and

> answer can never take us anywhere! We have to remove all notions

> including Saguna and Nirguna before we can get to the state of

> bodiless moksha! At the state of bodiless moksha, there will be

> neither Saguna nor nirguna!!

>

> warmest regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

 

Namaste R,

 

I must admit that of late, I have given up on long writings and

dialectics, somewhat. I suppose I'm in concordance with Nisargadatta

Maharaj when he said all you have to do is give up the idea that you

are a person. I haven't relatively arrived at a state of bodiless

moksha, otherwise I wouldn't be writing on here at all.

 

With regard to time, it only exist between points of reference. A

recent experiment, by Nasa, showed that a plane in sub space or

space-craft even slowed down time. Or rather persons on such a plane

or craft were younger than their colleagues on the planet. This of

course goes into the old story of a spaceship travelling at light

speed to the planets and back. On return the earth has gone through

ages and the returning adventurer knows not a soul or they he.

 

This I feel even scientifically proves that there is no time as we

know it at least and therefore is unreal. Where is the unfolding

now? Without going into subatomic particles going back in time,

science itself is approaching the stage of the mysics it seems--well

lower stage anyway.

 

Sankara's teaching is ultimately Ajata and so is Ramana's to his own

admittance. I must admit that I have never had any formal training

in any kind of philosophy, and I have distilled what I appear to

know from reading various vedanta. This in fact may or may not be an

advantage, for the Truth is very simple. So simple that people don't

understand it, or if educated afraid of it sometimes.

 

I still believe that rising above the mind or negating it is the way

to realise that it didn't exist in the first place. I have been

accused of Buddhism, well as opposed to Buddism the religion,

Gautama the Buddha said there was an 'Unbecoming' so he wasn't a

nihilist. My point is that there never was a creation or becoming. I

do question whether many agree with this position, as it interferes

with their practical rituals and belief systems. Howver sadhana is

necessary to purify the vijnanamayakosa which results in

realisation...........ONS..Tony.