Fwd: Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi on the reality of the world

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advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote:

 

 

advaitin , " frank maiello " <egodust>

wrote:

>

> hariH OM! bhaskar-ji,

> hare krishna!

>

> namaskkaar.

>

> obviously many on our List are in a quandary regarding the reality

of

> the world (not, as you clearly articulated, in the state leading

up

> to moksha, but within the paramarthika itself!).

the

> fact that over the centuries passages were removed as well as

> inserted by the lineage of popes. sir francis bacon in fact did

the

> major part of rewriting it, for esoteric purposes (since the

masses

> were not ready for certain concepts such as reincarnation, or that

> jesus was in fact married to mary magdaline, as stated in the

gospel

> of thomas (which was discovered buried near the sphynx in 1959,

> collection of gospels therein known as the " naj hammadi library " ),

> nor were they ready to hear that he made a pilgrimage through

places

> like tibet, nepal and india to learn from various yoga masters, as

> the buddhist pali cannon reveals [concurrent with the " lost 18

> years " ] of a seeker/sishya they saw as exceptionally gentle and

> humble and referred to him as " saint issa " ).

>

> so i believe this could be possible with the words of shankara,

who's

> immediate guru was, as we know, govindapada, who's guru in turn

was

> gaudapada, and the transmission was in effect once removed.

however,

> this is only part of it, and i'd say the insignificant part.

>

> to me, in regards to apprehending the nature of parabrahmam, the

idea

> of saying it is nirguna is itself putting a definition on it, by

> denying that it could as well be *with* gunas, as well as

clasically

> thought of as beyond gunas. this is why in my heart i can only

> settle on anirvachaniya as approaching its essential sathyam.

thus,

> parabrahmam is a mystery!

>

> i could be wrong in all i'm saying. but i will urge all to seek

> within for the answerless answer. consider, thus, if " nirguna " is

> yet a vritti, a concept.

>

> but this is my view.

 

Namaste,Frankiji,

 

First of all, where have you been reading this nonsense about The

Magdalene?

Here is my commentary on the complete gospel of Thomas.

 

http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/Thomasgospel1.htm

 

Now from Sri Atamananda's commentary on the Mandukya Upanisad.

 

" In the

Vaithathya Prakarana we have Sri Gaudapadacharya revealing the world

as ephemeral. by equating the waking state to the dream state. The

approach is purely logical. In the third i.e. the Advaita Prakarana

we have the teacher revealing the non-dual reality again purely on

the basis of logic and then also validating it by appropriate

scriptural statements. In the last chapter called Alata-shanti

prakarana, we have not only the summarisation of the entire book but

also some unique things. In this chapter the Theory of Causality is

shattered to pieces, the illusiory world is compared to a rotating

firebrand which presents illusions of circles which are not really

there, and the Self is thus revealed as the one non-dual reality

itself, free from all cause-effect relationships.

 

One thing which has become a hallmark of this Upanishad is the

Theory of Ajatavada. Normally some scriptures give some theory of

creation, only to later prove the creation to be ephemeral, while

here Gaudapada appears to be very uncompromising. He doesnt like

going the longer way, he declares right from the beginning itself

that there is no creation whatsoever. He considers the compassionate

effort of some to temporarily accept the creation as a compromise.

He thunders the raw truth uncompromisingly. "

 

Frank,

 

What you are arguing about is stages of understanding that's all.

Some have the capacity to see the world as real, others as a

projection, others as within Brahman and lastly not ever having

happened at all. Each is right according to the capacity of the mind

at that time. One must remember we as the Jiva are the Atma are the

Brahman. Distorting this to duality is what causes the problem.....I

choose the Ajata version, which say the world never ever happened

not even as an appearance. How can it, for even an appearance is a

modification and therefore impossible..........ONS...Tony.

 

Only the term Nirguna is a Vritti.

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