Expressing my Truth to Mazie.

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, " mazie_l " <sraddha54@h...> wrote:

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> , " saktidasa " <saktidasa>

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> I am speaking relatively of course for to my mind the only truth is

> Ajatavada, which I got from Ramana's teachings, 'Be as you are'.

> p181, although a certain Atmananda writes on this

> subject...ONS....Tony.........

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> Dearest Tony, Hello again,

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> Could you share this with me in a way that is clearly understood --

> in other words, explain this to me if you are so inclined, in your

> own words, how this truth, this 'only truth to your mind,' is known

> or shown to so, to you. If we were sitting talking together, (and I

> would so enjoy doing just that - sitting with you face to face,) and

> I did not know any of these terms, like Ajatavada, what would you say

> to explain to me what you're actually wanting to express?

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> Love to You, DearOne,

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> Mazie

 

Namaste Mazie,

 

One who has crossed over the mire,

crushed the thorn of sensuality,

reached the ending of delusion,

is a monk undisturbed by bliss & pain.

 

Udana III, 2

 

Having quoted that Buddhist Text let me try and explain how I see the

'Truth', or rather my truth.

 

It would be easier for me to explain a Jnani or Mukta, and as a result

explain the rest. Speaking in illusion, or the Appearance.

 

1. A Mukta is someone who has achieved two things; A. The feeling of a

separate ego has disappeared. B. The Mukta has purified the

vijnanamayakosa so it reflects the Truth. However this is qualified to

some extent by the fact that the Mukta still has to serve out the

prarabda karma. The engine is off but the wheel still needs to exhaust

its residual energy in a few turns. This means his/her actions may be

programmed karma or perhaps as an example. For whether the body was

realised or not the karma would still operate, to this extent a Mukta

is the full human being.

 

So to that extent 'God' never incarnates on the planet as we are all

'God', but don't have a purified vijnanamayakosa or dead ego. It is

useful to some to worship a human 'God' as it helps in concentration,

which is the only reason for any sadhana, Bhakti or otherwise. A lion

would no doubt worship a lion form.

Most people understand love as they can feel the energy move and

therefore can identify with it, so they are Bhaktas. However in Bhakti

there is also a fear of lonliness, a separation from the beloved

'God'. To some extent the human mind needs to love more than be loved

in the first instance, for that is instant and nobody believes there

isn't any reciprocation. So Bhakti is an easier path for many.

 

So you and I are just the same as Ramana except for A and B, above.

Whilst the Mukta is still in the body they see all illusion as an

appearance upon the Self. This Self is the Sakti or Saguna Brahman,

which people can identify with. However on dropping the body at the

end of prarabda karma, the Mukti realises Nirguna,completely. No

energy exists or is projected. Nothing ever happened at all, not even

the appearance. This is the Ajativada..............ONS...Tony.