Fwd: Sri Ramana on Nirvikalpa, Samadhi, Turiya

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advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote:

 

advaitin , " B VAIDYANATHAN "

<vaidyanathiyer> wrote:

>

> Atman, distinct from the five sheaths (kosas), other than the

three

> bodies (sariras) witness of three states (avasthas).

> .....

 

Namaste,

 

This however is incomplete for your description only reaches the

Saguna stage if that's the right word. Ramana says that Sat-Cit-

Ananada are qualities therefore it is qualitative and unreal

ultimately. Bliss of any kind is also an unreal impedimentary

experience of energy.

On bodiless Moksha the 'Creation' disappears and therefore could

never have happened the is only Nirguna............ONS...Tony.

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advaitin , " Peter M " <not_2@b...> wrote:

From TALKS:

 

187. D. I maintain that the physical body of the man immersed in

samadhi

as a result of the unbroken " contemplation " of the Self, may become

motionless for that reason. I may be active or inactive. The mind

established in such contemplation will not be affected by the

movements of

the body or the senses; nor is disturbance of the mind the

forerunner of the

physical activity. Whereas another person asserts that physical

activity

certainly prevents Samadhi or unbroken contemplation. What is

Bhagavan's

opinion? You are the abiding proof of my statement.

 

M. Both of you are right: you refer to sahaja nirvikalpa Samadhi

and the

other refers to kevala nirvikalpa Samadhi. In the latter case the

mind lies

immersed in the Light of the Self (whereas the mind lies in the

darkness of

ignorance in deep sleep): and the subject makes a distinction between

Samadhi and activity after waking up from Samadhi. Moreover,

activity of the

body, of the sight, of the vital forces, and of the mind and the

cognizance

of objects, all these are obstructions for one who seeks to realise

kevala

nirvikalpa Samadhi.

In sahaja samadhi, however, the mind has resolved into the

Self and

has been lost. The differences and obstructions mentioned above do

not,

therefore, exist here. The activities of such a Being are like the

feeding

of a somnolent boy, perceptible to the onlooker but not to the

subject. The

traveller sleeping in the moving cart is not aware of the motion of

the

cart, because his mind is sunk in darkness; whereas the sahaja jnani

remains unaware of his bodily activities because his mind is dead,

having

been resolved into the ecstasy of chidananda (bliss of Self).

 

SLEEP KEVALA SAHAJA

1.mind alive 1.mind alive 1.mind dead

 

2 sunk in 2.sunk in light 2.resolved in

oblivion the Self

 

3 like a bucket 3.like a river

with the rope discharged into

left lying in the ocean and

water in a well. the identity

lost.

 

4.to be drawn 4.a river cannot

out by the be redirected

other end of from the ocean.

of the rope.

 

 

pm

 

 

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Namaste,

 

Here is one quotation:

 

http://www.hinduism.co.za/newpage6.htm

 

TURIYA - THE FOURTH STATE

 

Question: " Is samadhi the same as Turiya, the fourth state? "

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: " Samadhi, Turiya and nirvikalpa all

have the same implication, that is, awareness of the Self.

Turiya literally means the fourth state, the Supreme

Consciousness, as distinct from the other three states of

consciousness: waking, dreaming and dreamless sleep. The

fourth state is eternal and the other three states come and go in

it.

In Turiya there is the awareness that the mind has merged in its

source, the Heart, and is quiescent there, although some thoughts

still impinge on it and the senses are still somewhat active. In

nirvikalpa, the senses are inactive and thoughts are totally absent.

Hence the experience of Pure Consciousness in this state is intense

and blissful. Turiya is obtainable in savikalpa samadhi. "

 

If any other quotations confirming or refuting the above are

known to any of the readers, kindly post them. Thanks.

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder