Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 There is no pleasure or pain or agony, or suffering. These are all just thoughts, words. To think otherwise is to deny the Singularity of the eternal and changeless Reality called Self. All these everchanging emotions are just thoughts that change not only from one imaginary-doer, or ego, to another, but they also change for the same ego as it needs the pain and misery from one day to be its pleasure the next. In the context of Advaita: To think that someone can suffer for the deeds of others is an absurdity twice over. The original-scriptures tell us that there is no doer and so for Christ, or anyone else, to have suffered for mankind not only assumes that Christ was a doer but it also assumes that he suffered for all sorts of other doers when there are no doers only the Self. If we cannot accept that there is no doer then we might as well throw Advaita out the window and start preaching all the dualities of lies and truths. To think that suffering is more than just thoughts not only assumes that there are doers, that suffer, but it also assumes that the thoughts like trauma, shock, suffering and agony cannot disappear into the Reality of dreamless-sleep, the Samadhi called the Self that we all are. It was this JOY called SELF that made spiritual-sects, like the early Christians, eagerly reject the material world and “wake-up” to be this JOY. These early Christians did not die because only thoughts, egos, imaginary–doers, religions and their cults can die. The Self we are is eternal and changeless. The Self is changeless no matter how much agony and misery the mind thinks it suffers when it THINKS it is awake but in fact it is ASLEEP to the Reality of dreamless-sleep, the Self.--geepee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 advaitajnana , Gee Pee <gpalotas> wrote: > > There is no pleasure or pain or agony, or suffering. These are all just thoughts, words. To think otherwise is to deny the Singularity of the eternal and changeless Reality called Self. > > All these everchanging emotions are just thoughts that change not only from one imaginary-doer, or ego, to another, but they also change for the same ego as it needs the pain and misery from one day to be its pleasure the next. > > In the context of Advaita: To think that someone can suffer for the deeds of others is an absurdity twice over. > > The original-scriptures tell us that there is no doer and so for Christ, or anyone else, to have suffered for mankind not only assumes that Christ was a doer but it also assumes that he suffered for all sorts of other doers when there are no doers only the Self. > > If we cannot accept that there is no doer then we might as well throw Advaita out the window and start preaching all the dualities of lies and truths. > > To think that suffering is more than just thoughts not only assumes that there are doers, that suffer, but it also assumes that the thoughts like trauma, shock, suffering and agony cannot disappear into the Reality of dreamless-sleep, the Samadhi called the Self that we all are. Namaste,G.P. I think it was in context of the question and the questioner. As you are aware if you talk too much Ajativada and pure Advaita, many sites will moderate your posts so as to not upset the 'Emotional Bhaktis', as opposed to true ego surrendered Bhaktis. Many people on so called Advaitic sites are still very much influenced by their religions, and Ajativada and Buddhism may as well be atheism to them. Even though they pay lip service to Advaitins they set up and worship them-----absolutely amazing. Discussing spirituality and religion is just an activity of the mind, like discussing politics. A diversion but going nowhere but around in the mind, and illusion. What you do when you meditate is what is important and that should be constant. No meditation on anything just Samadhi...........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > advaitajnana , Gee Pee <gpalotas> wrote: > > > > There is no pleasure or pain or agony, or suffering. These are all > just thoughts, words. To think otherwise is to deny the Singularity > of the eternal and changeless Reality called Self. > > > > All these everchanging emotions are just thoughts that change not > only from one imaginary-doer, or ego, to another, but they also > change for the same ego as it needs the pain and misery from one day > to be its pleasure the next. > > > > In the context of Advaita: To think that someone can suffer for > the deeds of others is an absurdity twice over. > > > > The original-scriptures tell us that there is no doer and so for > Christ, or anyone else, to have suffered for mankind not only > assumes that Christ was a doer but it also assumes that he suffered > for all sorts of other doers when there are no doers only the Self. > > > > If we cannot accept that there is no doer then we might as well > throw Advaita out the window and start preaching all the dualities > of lies and truths. > > > > To think that suffering is more than just thoughts not only > assumes that there are doers, that suffer, but it also assumes that > the thoughts like trauma, shock, suffering and agony cannot > disappear into the Reality of dreamless-sleep, the Samadhi called > the Self that we all are. > > Namaste,G.P. > > I think it was in context of the question and the questioner. As you > are aware if you talk too much Ajativada and pure Advaita, many > sites will moderate your posts so as to not upset the 'Emotional > Bhaktis', as opposed to true ego surrendered Bhaktis. Many people on > so called Advaitic sites are still very much influenced by their > religions, and Ajativada and Buddhism may as well be atheism to > them. Even though they pay lip service to Advaitins they set up and > worship them-----absolutely amazing. > > Discussing spirituality and religion is just an activity of the > mind, like discussing politics. A diversion but going nowhere but > around in the mind, and illusion. What you do when you meditate is > what is important and that should be constant. No meditation on > anything just Samadhi...........ONS...Tony. -=================================== Namaste " absolutely amazing " -- tell some of these egos (ego-maniacs) at these so called " non-duality " groups that they are the same LOVE that was/is Jesus and Buddha and I could swear they want to kill the messenger. Your words " absolutely amazing " says it perfectly. " No meditation on anything just Samadhi......... " yes this LOVE, Samadhi, You are the same I am, as is Buddha and Jesus. gp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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