Fwd: Sri Ramana Maharshi - Who am I? ( cont....5)

[Guest guest]

, swathi dora <doraksp>

wrote:

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi - Who am I ?

 

( continued from

yesterday's post)

 

Question: What is the nature of the Self ?

 

The Self, one's real nature, alone exists and is real.

The world, the soul and God are superimpositions on it like [the

illusory appearances of] silver in mother-of-pearl. These three

appear and disappear simultaneously. Self itself is the world; Self

itself is the 'I'; Self itself is God; all is Siva, the Self.

 

( Sri.David Godman's comments : At the beginning of this paragraph

Bhagavan says, in effect, that the world, the soul and God are

illusory appearances. Later he says that all three are the Self, and

therefore real. This should be seen as a paradox rather than a

contradiction. The following answer clarifies Bhagawan's views:

" Sankara was criticised for his views on 'maya' [illusion]

without understanding him. He said that (1) 'Brahman' [the Self] is

real (2) the universe is unreal, and (3) 'Brahman' is the universe.

He did not stop at the second because the third explains the other

two. It signifies that the universe is real if perceived as the Self

and unreal if perceived as apart from the Self. Hence 'maya' and

reality are one and the same. "

 

The seeing of names and forms is a misperception because, in the

Self, the one reality, none exist. Therefore, if a world of names

and forms is seen, it must necessarily be an illusory one. Bhagavan

explains this in verse 49 of 'Guru Vachaka Kovai' :

" Just as fire is obscured by smoke, the shining light of

conciousness is obscured by the assemblage of names and forms. When,

by compassionate divine grace, the mind becomes clear, the nature of

the world will be known to be not illusory forms, but only the

reality. " )

[Guest guest]

advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

wrote:

 

, swathi dora <doraksp>

wrote:

 

Question: What is the nature of the Self ?

 

The Self, one's real nature, alone exists and is real.

The world, the soul and God are superimpositions on it

 

Namaste,

 

The Sages say that on bodiless moksha the world disappears, as never

having have happened. So even the appearance didn't happen. For how

can a realised person/God be not aware of creation---it isn't there

that's why-------If it isn't there then there is no need for the

Saguna/Self either, these are all mental constructs. The Truth is

silent Nir guna Brahman-------Only.

 

Bhakti is of two kinds real and egoless and the other is emotional

devotion. This is based on the fear of separation from God, which is

of course imaginary. Most Bhaktis need something, they need someone

to love, to be loved, to be not alone, to put responsibility outside

of themselves for their actions and realisation.

 

" Collective fear stimulates herd instinct,

and tends to produce ferocity

toward those who are not regarded

as members of the herd. "

~ Bertrand Russell

 

 

ONS.........Tony.