Devas and Saints.

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advaitin , Shailendra Bhatnagar

<bhatnagar_shailendra> wrote:

> Tonyji wrote :

> > Very simply 'God' is a concept and cannot hear or help you. God

is > the energy, karma is the drive. For ultimately we can only

infer >Nirguna.

>

> Namaste Tonyji, There is a contradiction in your statements above.

In one statement you say God is a concept and in the very next one

you say it is energy. If God is a concept, then even non duality is

a concept because we live in a world of 6 billion people and no

matter what we say, read or declare, Jnani or Ajnani, we continue to

perceive plurality.

 

Namaste Shailendra-ji,

 

Sankara said it is real whilst we are in it.

 

Yes words in themselves are a problem. Without getting into

Madhyamika etc, let me say this. Yes God and God as energy are a

concept, everything but Nir guna is a concept, for it is within

Mahat or mind.

 

Even attributing some obvious validity to 'creation', which you do

with your remark on 6 billion people, doesn't mean that the concept

of Saguna does hear us as such. A sadist who gets his pleasure from

torture is enjoying the same energy of the Goddess as one who is

praying. There is no discrimination.

 

So if we are unrealised we seem to be real, as real as the Devas. So

as a human being can help us, so can a Deva or whatever.

( There is only one mind). A Deva may help with manipulating thought

or whatever, an Avatar may manipulate matter etc.

 

Brahman in any concept is not involved except in supplying the

energy. If this were not so, there would be no need for Avatars, and

teaching Muktas etc. What is an Avatar but a descended Deva? A Mukta

is more 'advanced' than that, being in Moksha. IMHO. I have a sneaky

suspicion many Avatars become Muktas in their lifetimes.

 

So what I am saying is that religions that pray for intercession

from Devas and Saints may in fact be more on the ball than someone

trying to pray to the Universal for help. Going within is the best

help but most don't do that, or cannot comprehend it.....ONS...Tony.