Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Namaste, a little from a Ramana devotee---ONS..Tony. Speaking with a disciple named Kailas, Poonjaji said: " Human evolution has got nothing to do with Self-realisation. When you realize the Self you will know that there has never been any evolution, that there has never been any creation, that there are no Gods, no demons, no animals, and not even any people. All these things belong to the mind, to the ego. They are all ignorance. You think 'I am so and so, he is so and so.' This is just ignorance. It is a cycle that has no ending. But once you have true realisation, you know that you were never born. Some desire from the past has appeared in a physical form. It has manifested as this person called Kailas. But in reality, nothing has happened. This is the ultimate truth. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Yes the ULTIMATE TRUTH IS: there is no Shiva or Krishna or anything else that is imaginable. There is only: OM, and then Shanti, and then Shanti, and Shanti, and if necessary more Shanti. =-================================== advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > Namaste, a little from a Ramana devotee---ONS..Tony. > > Speaking with a disciple named Kailas, Poonjaji said: " Human evolution > has got nothing to do with Self-realisation. When you realize the Self > you will know that there has never been any evolution, that there has > never been any creation, that there are no Gods, no demons, no > animals, and not even any people. All these things belong to the mind, > to the ego. They are all ignorance. You think 'I am so and so, he is > so and so.' This is just ignorance. It is a cycle that has no ending. > But once you have true realisation, you know that you were never born. > Some desire from the past has appeared in a physical form. It has > manifested as this person called Kailas. But in reality, nothing has > happened. This is the ultimate truth. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > Namaste, a little from a Ramana devotee---ONS..Tony. > > Speaking with a disciple named Kailas, Poonjaji said: " Human evolution > has got nothing to do with Self-realisation. When you realize the Self > you will know that there has never been any evolution, that there has > never been any creation, that there are no Gods, no demons, no > animals, and not even any people. All these things belong to the mind, > to the ego. They are all ignorance. You think 'I am so and so, he is > so and so.' This is just ignorance. It is a cycle that has no ending. > But once you have true realisation, you know that you were never born. > Some desire from the past has appeared in a physical form. It has > manifested as this person called Kailas. But in reality, nothing has > happened. This is the ultimate truth. " \ =-= Papaji's " listener'' or devotee might need this " Some desire from the past… " but in Reality " Some desire from the past " is totally misleading because there is no past. This is the eternal problem and confusion these saints and scriptures give us with their words. The Gita is no better: it tells us the Ultimate Truth: there is no doer. And then the rest of the Gita goes on about all the doers like Krishna, Arjuna and his family and teachers and demons and gods and… . And all the great intellects and egos keep losing themselves chasing all these doers, the Gita talks about, so they can understand them when the Gita tells us there is not even a single doer, and so there cannot be multiple doers. If there is anything other than the Self then the not-two called Advaita becomes utterly and absolutely meaningless. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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