Gita 5-14.

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Namaste All,

 

Na kartrtvam na karmani,

lokasya sr jati prabhuh,

 

Na karma-phala-samyogam,

svabhavas tu pravartate//.

 

5-14

In regard to all beings in this world, the sovreign soul is not the

cause of the senses or agency, nor of actions, nor of the fruition of

actions. It is Nature that does all this.

 

I always kind of liked this verse...........ONS...Tony.

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NonDualPhil , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

wrote:

NonDualPhil , " Wim Borsboom "

<wim_borsboom> wrote:

> NonDualPhil , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

wrote:

> > Namaste All,

> >

> > Na kartrtvam na karmani,

> > lokasya sr jati prabhuh,

> >

> > Na karma-phala-samyogam,

> > svabhavas tu pravartate//.

> >

> > 5-14

> > In regard to all beings in this world, the sovreign soul is not

the

> > cause of the senses or agency, nor of actions, nor of the

fruition of

> > actions. It is Nature that does all this.

> >

> > I always kind of liked this verse...........ONS...Tony.

>

> Of course you do Tony, as it is dualist

> in the way it is 'p r e s e n t e d' here:

> " the sovreign soul " and " Nature " .

 

Namaste,

 

Sovereign soul or Prabhu in this sense is a way of separating it

from the idea of nature, which is Karma. That God or whatever is not

running the world, karmic illusion is. Prabhu cannot run what

doesn't happen.

 

In fact I am a dualist until I am liberated, but I cannot be

liberated by simply intellectually repeating vndist talk.

 

The cause is not Prabhu but non perception and the effect is wrong

perception, dream and awakeness. Non of this destroys my position

that it hasn't happened. Nor the fact that as long as the individual

feeds in the dream and subconscious, the vasanas will prevent

liberation. For in awakeness one can be totally non dual, but in the

dream state it is always a mess of duality in different

forms...ONS..Tony.

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