Ramana, Samadhis, etc etc.

[Guest guest]

Namaste D,IMHO,

 

There is really only one Real Samadhi the others are variations of

tied consciousness, or temporary.

 

Ramana's highest teaching is Ajativada i.e. it never happened at

all, you will find this in 'Be as you are' by Godman and in other

letters on Ramana.

 

However most do not follow that and follow one of the other two

theories of creation, so most of the time Ramana talked to them at

their level of understanding. Most of the devotees are actually very

dualistic as is evidenced by examining the Raman sites on . THE

SELF/SIVA that Ramana talked about was really Saguna Brahman

Concept, as he knew his audience would in the main reject his

highest teaching. Because of lack of awareness or a need to

worship 'something'.

 

However as a Realised Being he also knew that realisation of Saguna

also brought with it the realisation of Nirguna. So it was

superfluous to insist upon teachings they didn't understand at all.

 

There is a proviso here with regard to Bhakti, some don't achieve

ultimate liberation and achieve Brahmaloka or one of the highest

levels of consciousness not requiring rebirth. This is no doubt due

to their intense love and identification with a love one or Guru-

Ishtadevata, preventing the dissolution of all thought.

 

Ramana does say that a Mukta does things automatically, and he uses

the child feeding and not remembering as an example. This indicates

that the body has of course still fulfill the Prarabda Karma of that

birth, whether a Mukti or not the karma would be the same. So a

Mukti would still behave as a human in life, but would

see 'creation' as a manifestation or appearance on The Self. This is

because consciousness still exists in the Vijnanamayakos until

death. Even though the 'Ego' has merged so to speak.

 

One must take into account Prarabda Karma and the connection to the

body, mind and even species mind as long as the body survives.

 

Many devotees latch on to some behaviour or words of the Mukta as

being gospel, even though they are Prarabda Speaking. They don't

understand the difference, and that is most people.

 

On bodiless Moksha or death of the body, it would all disappear

including the concept of Saguna, so it never happened at

all....ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

NonDualPhil , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

wrote:

NonDualPhil , " Wim Borsboom "

<wim_borsboom> wrote:

 

> Wim

>

> " Mukti or liberation is our nature. It is another

> name for us. Our wanting mukti is a very funny

> thing. It is like a man who is in the shade,

> voluntarily leaving the shade, going into the sun,

> feeling the severity of the heat there, making

> great efforts to get back to the shade and then

> rejoicing, " How sweet is the shade! I have reached

> the shade at last! " We are all doing exactly the

> same. We are not different from the reality. We

> imagine we are different, that is we create the

> bheda bhava [the feeling of difference] and then

> undergo great sadhana [spiritual practices] to get

> rid of the bheda bhava and realise the oneness. Why

> imagine or create bheda bhava and then destroy it? "

>

> " We think that there is something hiding our

> reality and that it must be destroyed before the

> reality is gained. It is ridiculous. A day will dawn

> when you will yourself laugh at your past efforts.

> That which will be on the day you laugh is also

> here and now. "

>

> ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi:

>

> " Be As You Are "

> The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi

> edited by David Godman

> Arkana, 1985

>

> " When you know beyond all doubting that

> the same life flows through all that is and

> you are that life, you will love all naturally

> and spontaneously. When you realize the

> depth and fullness of your love of yourself,

> you know that every living being and the

> entire universe are included in your affection. "

>

> " When the sense of distinction and separation

> is absent, you may call it love. "

>

> ~ Nisargadatta Maharaj

>

> " I Am That "

> Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> The Acorn Press, 1973

>

> Truth is exact correspondence with reality. "

>

> " The material and the spiritual are two parts of one universe and

one

> truth. By overstressing one part or the other, man fails to achieve

> the balance necessary for harmonious development…. Practice the

art of

> living in this world without losing your inner peace of mind.

Follow

> the path of balance to reach the inner wondrous garden of

> Self-realization. "

>

> ~ Paramahansa Yogananda

 

Namaste,

 

These are all wonderful quotes and just demonstrate what I was

saying about teaching at different levels. These quotes are really

within the understanding of those that don't understand Ajativada,

and the philosophy of just ever Nirguna. They mostly imagine a just

ever Saguna with attributes.......Sat-Cit-Ananda.

 

I can quote ad infinitum Ramana talking of doing sadhana, being a

vegetarian, but again he talks at different levels.

 

Love, Energy, Mind/Kundalini all belong to manifestation and

therefore are ultimately unreal as never having happened. It really

is as simple as that. Unfortunately it is real enough whilst we are

in it as Sankara says, so we have to remove the samskaras and

vasanas that prevent us realising that which we may understand

intellectually. The oscillation between awake and dream is the cause

of our problems, according to Sankara..........ONS...Tony.

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