[NonDualPhil] [rameshbalsekar] Fwd: Gaudapada on non duality.

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NonDualPhil , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote:

 

NonDualPhil , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...

wrote:

 

 

no rope...ONS..Tony.

 

 

Dear Tony,

 

Please assess the description below. If it is assumed that all is

Nirguna Brahman than nothing has happened, nothing changed and

nothing

will happen. The apparent diversity and changes in the appearances

are

Maya and all concepts and life as we know it is an illusion that is

difficult to see through.

 

Lewis

 

" Advaita Vedantists construct Parabrahman, the Absolute, the

non-material sentient existence/awareness that is the one and only

all

pervading reality. There is nothing else. The Vedanatist explain the

diversity in the appearances as Maya, ParaBrahman's " will " to become

many, which amount to a cosmic illusion, a dream world, that veils

the

Absolute. The Vedantan Absolute was never created, never modified,

unmodifiable, attributeless...Nirguna. So nothing has happened, there

is no one or no thing; only the Absolute. "

 

 

Namaste L.

 

The only difference I have with that is that I don't believe that

there

is even an appearance on the Self. No Veil to pull aside. It is

obviously impossible to explain this. I rely on Sages who say it

disappears on Moksha or deep sleep or Samadhi etc, So it can never

have

happened at all.......ONS..Tony.

 

 

Thank you Tony.

 

That would be consistent with Nirguna Brahman. So in this sense, Maya

is merely a conceptualization employed to handle the apparent

diversity

and multiplicy and is as Saguna Brahman. Therefore, being only

Nirguna

Brahman there is nothing ever created, nor modified, only

unmodifiable,

attributelessness.... Nirguna and thus nothing has happened, there is

no one or no thing; only the Nirgunan Absolute. Would this entail

that

in daily life there is no illusion? And would it also entail that the

apparent diversity and multiplicity that appears and it is dealt with

on a daily basis lacks only unfettered realization of Nirguna

Brahman,

Moksha? And that what is gone through in this diversity and

multiplicity is differential movements toward Moksha, Mukti.

 

Are these equal to your understandings Tony.

 

Lewis

 

 

Namaste,

 

It would seem so but that is also an illusion.

 

It starts out with us thinking we are making things happen, then

moves

on to things are happening to us, and finally that nothing is

happening

at all.

 

Even in science it really is an appearance, of quarks and bosons and

mesons, travelling forwards and backwards in time, creating this

illusion. And what is smaller than them, and smaller than that?

 

How we even perceive it as an illusion or 'life' I don't know. The

penny doesn't seem to drop for so many that it isn't there in deep

sleep or samadhi. This is because they cannot conceive of 'no-mind',

whether it is called life or love or sakti or whatever. There is no

beginning but there is and end to it, for it never happened at

all..............ONS...Tony.

 

 

Hi Tony,

 

Understood.

 

It is clear now how you conceive and not conceive of it. It would

probably do others a service if it is possible to fashion the words

so

that it more clearly portrays what it is that is spoken of and the

manner in which a response is given. The language shifts conceptual

levels within a post so that readers may be uncertain or may

misapprehend a response, its meanings, in seeing apparent

contradictions and confusion and dismissing in the words were there

is

none for the writer.

 

It would seem that there would be little or no difference between

what

is said in conversation, if there is less shifting of conceptual

positions during conversation. I will leave it you to see how you did

so above in response to my request.

 

That shift does not matter and no further clarification is needed

since

it clear now, at this moment, what is meant and what is done with the

words. It would be a service to readers and responders if it could be

seen clearly how the shift above was done and then in knowing it may

help readers see clearly what is presented. Who knows, those words

may

serve well in some way if unpacked in a way that accounts for other

conceptual worlds that are unavoidably tied in with responses.

 

Thank you for responding to my questions.

 

Love,

 

Lewis

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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