Is there an Isvara--re Prof V. Krishnamurthy

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Namaste, from advaitin list,

 

 

> Proceeding from this base, the proponent concludes that

> Ishvara also is mAyA and so all worship, pUjA, divine will,

> the concept of surrender, -- all these are non-existent. A

> consequence of this is to deny

> 1. Existence of Ishvara

> 2. Concept of Divine will

> 3. Concept of Surrender.

>

> According to me, the consequence of even one of these leads

> to atheism. Advaita should not lead to an atheistic

> attitude. So my answer to the above would go something like

> this:

> The statement " Ishvara exists only in the mAyic world " is a

> statement true from the absolute point of view. It is a

> statement which only the Absolute Supreme Brahman can say,

> if at all it 'says'. Ourselves being in the mAyic world,

> we cannot say that Ishvara is mAyA for us. In our

> vyVavahAric state, just as we take care of our body

> granting its existence, we have to grant that Ishvara

> exists. This is why, I think, our teachers all insist that

> advaita-learning should only follow an 'Astikya-buddhi'

> (the conviction that Ishvara exists) and should not replace

> 'Astikya-buddhi'.

>

> I would like members of the list to help me polish the

> above paragraph of mine or correct me if I have defaulted

> in the understanding of advaita.

>

> PraNAms to all advaitins.

> profvk

>

> Prof. V. Krishnamurthy

 

Namaste,VK,IMHO,

 

Isvara is the sum total of all the Jivas, it is a concept as real as

oneself.

 

If you believe in Devas then for you there are Devas.

 

There really is no 'Divine Will' interfering, everything is Karma

and Prana only and that is illusion also. Surrender means just

accepting one's karma as one cannot change it anyway. The only thing

we seem to be able to change is our 'attitude' to events.

 

I firmly believe that it never happened and there is only Nirguna,

is being a contradictory verb in this case.

 

Because Nirguna is beyond all concepts, beyond Sat-Cit-Ananda and

all attributes, doesn't make one an atheist, if that is what one

accepts. One just has to accept the non being, unborn,

incomprehensible. It is all still karma but essentially the only

beings that can help one are Saints, Sages and Avatars. God does no

action, makes no judgements and really doesn't hear any prayers.

 

I can understand though that if some people have this need for

a 'God' doing something it can cause some to become atheists or be

demoralised, if they knew the truth but couldn't accept it. If they

didn't have that level of purification or understanding in their

vijnanamayakosa. That is why Sankar said 'Bhaja Govindam'

 

I personally accept my truth that it didn't happen at all, if it did

it would be seen in deep sleep, samadhi and moksha-it isn't..No

snake and no rope!...ONS..Tony.