Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 NonDualPhil , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: NonDualPhil , " Greg Goode " <goode@D...> wrote: > NonDualPhil , Insight <insight@s...> wrote: > > > > Joyce: I was thinking more in terms of what is the relationship > > of Vedanta to the YogaSutras of Patanjali and what kind of > practices do > > Vedantists do? > > ===Vedanta would be " more nondual " than Patanjali, > who I'd consider a " qualified nondualist. " Everything > is of the nature of consciousness, but each jiva is > separate and must make the entry into yogic awareness > separately. > > Vedantic practices: karma yoga, bhakti yoga, raja > yoga and jnana yoga. Everyone is advised to do all > 4 to som extent, though the percentages vary with the > balance of personality and body types. This by the > way is also explained in the Bhagavad Gita. > > JOYCE: > And then I was wondering about the basic philosophical views. > > > For instance: would a Vedantist believe that phenomena do or do not > arise > > from Self? > > ===Ultimately, phenomena do not arise at all. > > JOYCE: > Or believe that the created and the creator are the same etc. > > ===Shankara said (quoting from memory): > The world is unreal. > Brahman is real. > The world is Brahman. > > JOYCE: > The choice of views are that phenomena arise/do not from Self, do/do > not arise > > from Other, do/do not arise from both Self and Other do/do not > arise from > > Neither Self nor Other but from elements etc. > > ===Vedantists normally do not go in for that > tetralemma stuff. If they don't answer Yes > or No right away, then you can bet they are > either undercutting the assumptions behind the question, > or misunderstanding the question! > > --Greg Namaste J, G. Even Sankara taught at the dual and semi dual level, depending on the mind of the student or disciple/Sishya. However ultimately he would agree with Gaudapada that it didn't happen at all. There is no world to be Brahman. However as most cannot accept that he also said remember Bhaja Govindam, or use Bhakti if that is what you can succeed in. Many popular teachers of the Vedanta teach at diffent levels. This can be observed with Ammachi for example; teaching bhakti and dvaita at one level and advaita at another..........ONS...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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