Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 advaitin , " V. Krishnamurthy " <profvk> wrote: Namaste. Reid –ji and all, This is in reply to your well-worded legitimate questions raised in http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m25888.html where you said " .. But my understanding of nonduality seems to run > counter to your descriptions of what is required for the householder, > viz. that what must be done to achieve dispassion is only thru > devotion to the divine. It seems to me that this flouts the idea > of " not two " and must therefore be seen as merely an impediment to > true understanding. This seems also to me to be awfully close to the > Christian teaching that " None come to the Father but thru me " .Clearly > these expressions of exclusivity are familiar to many traditions, > yet, I am awaiting the message that there are no paths to truth as > there is no destination at all. .. How can the belief in and > practice of any religious tradition be any thing more than a > temporary (although perhaps necessary for many) distraction from > apperceiving the ultimate reality? > Thank you for your time. " Reid ------------------------------- " None come to the Father but through me. " This quote is from John 14. It is a beautiful quote to illustrate advaita-bhakti. Jesus said: " I am the way, the truth, and the life. " (Ibid). Krishna also says the same thing : mattaH paraM nAsti(B.G. VII – 7), sadasaccAhamarjuna (IX – 19), jIvanaM sarvabhUteshhu (VII – 9), ahamAdishca madhyam ca (X – 20), etc. " None come to the Father but through me. " This `me' actually has to be capitalised here as `Me', because the Son of God says it. So it becomes " None come to the Father but through Me. " Krishna's statement also can be taken to read `None come to Brahman but through Me'. This means `you cannot reach Brahman-realisation, except by devotion through Me'. This is not an `expression of exclusivity'. It only means that `God is not just the end but also the means toward that end.' In fact Jesus also means that `I am the means' when he says " I am the Father and the Father is in me. The words I say are not my own but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. Just beleive that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. " (John 14) Beleief in and practice of a religious tradition is not just a temporary pastime or distraction as you seem to put it, Reid-ji. It is the only path to perceive and realise the ultimate reality. Here it is necessary to clear some cobwebs of misunderstanding regarding advaita. Advaita is not an atheistic philosophy. It does not deny God. It only says there is something more than `God with a form and a name'. And that is the nameless and formless Ultimate One. The means for advaitic realisation is not to sit quiet without doing anything. To worship God for the purification of one's mind, is quite in tune with advaita; because without purification of mind, how is one going to realise that `I am not the BMI'? So when somebody says the worship of God with attributes is the only way to purify one's mind, that statement need not be contradicted. What else is there as a method to purify the mind? By simply repeating to oneself `I am not the BMI', one is not going to reach self-realisation. Nididhyasana on vedic mahavakyas, means that one churns in one's mind the logic of spirituality embedded in these mahavakyas. In order that the mind cooperates with this effort of the sadhaka, it has to be purified. And how do you purify the mind, except by withdrawing it from all sense objects and sense attractions? And how do you so withdraw the mind, except by `attaching' it to something as divine as God with name and form. Any other `attachment' is going to be only a worldly attachment. If worldly attachments have to go, the only way is to attach yourself to God so firmly and so consistently that thereafter no other attachment arises. Then God takes the responsibility to take you to that Realisation of the Ultimate. Thus `None come to the Father but through Me' turns out to be a crisp mahavakya of advaita bhakti. Advaita bhakti means devotion of the One God, without a second, without a distraction. If that itself is called `distraction', then there is no other royal road to purification of mind. PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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