Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 NonDualPhil , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: NonDualPhil , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/17/05 3:45:01 PM, aoclery writes: > > > > Young man: " Is it very difficult, then, to attain Self- realization > > while living a worldly life? " > > > > Amma: " No matter how much you may try, it's not possible to taste > > the bliss of the Self while at the same time seeking worldly > > happiness. If you eat payasam (sweet rice pudding) from a vessel > > used for storing tamarind, how can you get the real taste of > > payasam? " > > > > P: What Bullshit! Namaste,P, You obviously missed the point, perhaps you don't like the way it was explained. It is not possible to become realised if one has even one desire or thought, and that is it. Verbal non dualism doesn't eliminate desire or samskaras it just discusses them ad infinitum ad nauseum.............ONS...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 NonDualPhil , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: NonDualPhil , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/18/05 9:15:45 AM, aoclery writes: > > > > Namaste,P, > > > > You obviously missed the point, perhaps you don't like the way it > > was explained. It is not possible to become realised if one has even > > one desire or thought, and that is it. > > > > Verbal non dualism doesn't eliminate desire or samskaras it just > > discusses them ad infinitum ad nauseum.............ONS...Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > P: What do you mean by that, Tony? If you mean, that at the > very instant of realization there can't be any thoughts or > desires present at that moment, that it's true. If you mean > as, she did, that lack of desire, and worldly activity are a > prerequisite and a practice required. Such as, poverty, > abstinence, the rejection of bodily pleasures, then that is > pure bullshit. The records of mysticism are filled with cases > of the most degraded sinners having overwhelming > revelations. Saint Francis of Assisi was a play boy, and > idler and bon vivant till the day of his revelation. Namaste,p, We are not sure that St Francis achieved Moksha, at that time. Many people have an enlightenment of sorts, after living riotous lives. However it is not the rejection of bodily or sense pleasures but the non attachment that is important. The loss or giving up of Ego. However even one thought will cause rebirth if one isn't realised. A whiff of perfume would even do it. Then after realisation the body runs on prarabda karma, nobody is home...........ONS...Tony. Just one unrealised thought or desire will cause a rebirth, or at least prevent total Moksha. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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