Everything ultimately isn't illusion even.

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advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite@a...> wrote:

> Hi Maniji,

>

> ajAtivAda - the theory that nothing has ever been born; that there

literally

> has not been any creation - does not mean that, upon realization,

everything

> disappears.

>

> This idea is a misunderstanding. No, there never has been anything

new

> created. There is just the continual, ever-changing, ever-new, yet

always

> the same. Simply different names and forms of the non-dual

reality. Bangles

> changing into bracelets but always still gold. To this extent, the

> neo-Advaitins have always been right - This is it! Already.

>

> What is there 'after realization' cannot be anything new - it is

That

> already; always has been and always will. Upon realization,

outwardly

 

Namaste,D-ji,

 

This opinion is not going far enough IMHO. It is true as far as the

embodied Mukta is concerned but it is untrue for the disembodied

Mukta. This Mukta is surely Nirguna Brahman.

 

The ultimate truth is that there never was a snake and there never

was a rope. There is no beginning to this illusion, but there is an

end for it never happened in the first place---hence no beginning.

 

If the world disappears on Moksha, and yet still exists as

appearance for those still in it Mukta or Not. Then the argument

could be made that Brahman is lacking in someway, which is patently

absurd.

 

So the only conclusion is that it never happened in the first place,

not even the 'appearance', not even the appearance of bracelets on

gold; there never was any gold....That doesnt' mean there isn't some

validity to it whilst we are in it but it is personal only. We have

to use it as a vehicle and realise unity with illusion. So realising

Nirguna at some level at the same time, waiting for the body to

drop..............ONS...Tony.