Freewill and prakriti etc

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In advaitin , kuntimaddi sadananda

<kuntimaddisada> wrote:

> Tony - if one knows that it is an illusion not as a thoght but as a

> fact, the problem is already solved. Vyavahaara is as real as the

> process of overcoming it. Until one recognizes the

paaramaarthika, the

> illusion remains not as an illusion but as real. When one

recognizes

> the paaramaarthika, there will not be any further discusson of

free

> will, whether it exists or not! Existence and non-existence of free

> will, both will be illusary. One has to be careful from what

reference

> these statements are made.

>

> Free will is there which is the basis for saadhana (seeking) until

all

> the duality including both sandhana and saadhaka (seeker) merge

into

> one. It is the recognition of the fact of advaita or non-duality

inspite

> of duality. Then only all concepts including free will or lack of

it

> dissolve into one. Hence my statement

> One has free-will until the freedom from free-will is recognized.

> Krishna says - nahi kaschit kshaNamapi jaatu tushTasya karma krit -

no

> one can remain without performing an action even for a second.

>

> Later he says - prakrityeva ca karmaani kriyamaanaani sarvashaH -

all

> actions are being done by praKriti and one how knows this alone

knows

> the truth.

>

> Let us not get confused from what reference the topic is

discussed.

>

> Hari OM!

> Sadananda

>

>

>

> --- Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

>

> > advaitin , kuntimaddi sadananda

> > <kuntimaddisada> wrote:

> > > One has free-will until the freedom from free-will is

recognized.

> > >

> > > Hari OM!

> > > Sadananda

> >

> > Namaste S-ji,

> >

> > One has the illusion of free will until one recognises there is

no

> > will at all...........ONS..Tony.

 

Namaste S-ji,

 

I was responding to your 'one liner'. The only point that I have is

that there is only an illusion of free will even in this samsara.

There is no time, scientifically it is relative even. The actions we

perform are all prarabda. Ramana was asked about dropping a piece of

paper and was that predestined and he said of course.

The problem with many is that they don't appreciate that the

decision they make with their so called choice and free will, is the

decision and action that has already happened in illusion.

 

So I suppose what I am saying is that simply put there is only an

appearance of freewill.

 

Your wrote;

<Later he/Krishna, says - prakrityeva ca karmaani kriyamaanaani

sarvashaH - all

> actions are being done by praKriti and one how knows this alone

knows

> the truth.

 

So Prarabda and Prakriti are one and the same thing in

operation.......ONS..Tony.