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Namaste All,

 

It is evident by the posts that Advaita is difficult to understand

even intellectually. We still think we are inside driving ourselves--

the Ego.

 

In the first place 'it' never happened but lets give creation some

validity for arguments sake. Its real whilst your in it--to

paraphrase Sankara.

 

Firstly there is no time, even in science it is relative.

Consequently everything, uncluding lives must be happening at once.

So 'Freewill' can only be an illusion. On the other hand one can

allocate some validity to the idea of 'Free Choice', this being a

little different. Why? because it is disassociated from the action

by attitude----good response or bad response to karmic events.

 

So in each life every little thing is predetermined, for there is no

time. The mind is above the concept of time and can travel without

the bounds of it. So one can make a choice to suffer, enjoy or to

learn. So depending on what one's attitude is to the prarabda one

either repeats it in a future life or it is accomplished and lesson

learned and balanced.

 

As I have mentioned before lives are like a cartwheel with

consciousness at the hub and each spoke a life. All that is

happening is we are concentrating on one spoke at a time, but the

other spokes are there at the same time. Occasionally there

are 'bleed-throughs' from another life or spoke, usually triggered

by a common or similar samskara or vasana.

 

So if we accept prarabda as a fact we have to understand the seeming

difference between 'Free Will' and 'Free Choice' and not confuse

them. Freewill is not divorced from the action, Freechoice is our

attitude and this seems to be variable, it can agree or disagree

with the action, but the action will happen anyway for we are not

the 'doer'. Thereby hangs the crux of the problem, thinking we are

the doer therefore we must have freewill.

 

We can only affect our 'future lives' not the one we are in. But as

there is no time this all happens at once....Freewill and Freechoice

should not be confused, one is connected with action more and the

other, so to speak is connected with attitude.......ONS...Tony.

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advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

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> Namaste All,

>

> It is evident by the posts that Advaita is difficult to understand

> even intellectually. We still think we are inside driving

ourselves--

> the Ego.

>

> In the first place 'it' never happened but lets give creation

some

> validity for arguments sake. Its real whilst your in it--to

> paraphrase Sankara.

>

> Firstly there is no time, even in science it is relative.

> Consequently everything, uncluding lives must be happening at

once.

> So 'Freewill' can only be an illusion. On the other hand one can

> allocate some validity to the idea of 'Free Choice', this being a

> little different. Why? because it is disassociated from the action

> by attitude----good response or bad response to karmic events.

>

> So in each life every little thing is predetermined, for there is

no

> time. The mind is above the concept of time and can travel without

> the bounds of it. So one can make a choice to suffer, enjoy or to

> learn. So depending on what one's attitude is to the prarabda one

> either repeats it in a future life or it is accomplished and

lesson

> learned and balanced.

>

> As I have mentioned before lives are like a cartwheel with

> consciousness at the hub and each spoke a life. All that is

> happening is we are concentrating on one spoke at a time, but the

> other spokes are there at the same time. Occasionally there

> are 'bleed-throughs' from another life or spoke, usually triggered

> by a common or similar samskara or vasana.

>

> So if we accept prarabda as a fact we have to understand the

seeming

> difference between 'Free Will' and 'Free Choice' and not confuse

> them. Freewill is not divorced from the action, Freechoice is our

> attitude and this seems to be variable, it can agree or disagree

> with the action, but the action will happen anyway for we are not

> the 'doer'. Thereby hangs the crux of the problem, thinking we are

> the doer therefore we must have freewill.

>

> We can only affect our 'future lives' not the one we are in. But

as

> there is no time this all happens at once....Freewill and

Freechoice

> should not be confused, one is connected with action more and the

> other, so to speak is connected with attitude.......ONS...Tony.

 

In advaitin , Sanjay Srivastava >

> An off-shoot of this discussion leads to the famous debate between

> Einstein and Bohr. Einstein asserted that God does not play dice.

His

> assertions were challenged by Quantum theorists that God indeed

plays

> dice-- at least on the sub-atomic level. I may be wrong but I

think,

> it is the latter view that is generally accepted nowadays.

 

Namaste s,IMHO,

 

Einstein's quote about 'God' not playing dice is true in as much as

subtle prarabda goes.

 

However in the sub atomic quantum level, or even chaos if you like,

it is all at a less subtle level than mind and involves the movement

of waves and particles/waves in the action reaction modes.

 

So It depends on whether you are on the road or the mountain looking

at at the road. The man on the mountain can see more and visualise a

future.

 

Once the gunas have been disturbed it is by their own intereaction

that things are formed. So in that way it is like dice, at that

level.................ONS...Tony.

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