Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: advaitin , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > Namaste, > > what is the cause of liberation? > if not God.... > > what is the cause of God? > if not liberation.... Namaste M, This is a case of oranges and apples again. Ultimately there is no God and no modification, nothing to be liberated from. However within the illusion there is a need for liberation, and this is done by the cleaning of samskaras from life to life. This is a karmic action and it is karma that is 'God' and God is the 'Energy'. ............ONS...--- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > advaitin , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > what is the cause of liberation? > > if not God.... > > > > what is the cause of God? > > if not liberation.... > > Namaste M, > > This is a case of oranges and apples again. Ultimately there is no > God > and no modification, nothing to be liberated from. > However within the illusion there is a need for liberation, and this > is done by the cleaning of samskaras from life to life. This is a > karmic action and it is karma that is 'God' and God is the 'Energy'. > ...........ONS...> --- End forwarded message --- advaitin , " ymoharir " <ymoharir> wrote: > Namaste Tony-Ji: > > That is where I think scriptures come in handy because our sages > have dwelled upon this subject extensively. > > I think yoga vasiShTha it is said > > j~Naana.m hi parama.m shreyaH kaivalyal.m tena vetalyam || yoga vaa. > 2.19.16 || > > Meaning - Knowledge the ultimate tool for moxa because one can > experience the kaivalyabhaava. Namaste Dr Yadu-ji, Perhaps this is a traditional view, especially of people such as Vaishnavas, and for them it is the truth. As they regard Krishna or Vishnu as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and regard Advaitins as Mayavids, experiencing the effulgence of Krishna/Vishnu. However it isn't the ultimate truth. That is why I mention apples and oranges. Experiencing Kaivalyabhava is 'experiencing' and one needs a personality and mind for that. Moksha or Moha Kshaya is above mind by definition. So I don't disregard the scriptures, however they are written and interpreted by men, and it is necessary every now and then for incarnations to make course corrections. Personally I read the scriptures and texts but rely a lot on my intuition from meditation to answer my personal questions. There are many paths and only one goal.............ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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