Monkeys, bonobos and the Sydney Zoo.

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advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> With regard to the discussion on sexuality and desire, it is

> interesting to have a look at the animals. Bonobo chimps are

> sexually precocious and use sex as a method of consolation,

> influencing etc etc. Much like many humans do.

>

> Some years ago I had a macaque named Jo-Jo. I had him in a big huge

> cage when he wasn't out and about. However when women came over, he

> would get excited and if they showed skin he would even masturbate.

> This embarrassed many a visitor. My point being is that as the

human

> body is 98.5% genetically the same as apes, it will carry the same

> characteristics naturally. So my conclusion is that sex is a

natural

> reflex action and at that level it is not binding.

>

> However like bonobos humans have developed it as a means of

> communication, or influence. Now how much of this is natural and

how

> much is human lust is another matter altogether.

> My feeling is that for the householder, a natural approach to the

> subject is not that binding, as eating isn't either. It is the over-

> emphasis and lust that binds, for that doesn't come from the body

> but from the mind and its desires,expectations, and attachments.

>

> Even making love to one's partner has a lot of ego, for who is the

> one making love and giving love or sex?

>

> The questions seem to be in the realm of, leave to the householder

> what is of the householder. For in the final analysis all

> attachments have to be risen above. And it is the building of

> binding samskaras that cause the rebirths, not the natural actions.

>

> It is interesting that in the Bible Myth, Adam puts aside his

> mixture wife 'Lilith', in favour of the more physically

> acceptable 'Eve'. These being analogies for races of course. Yet he

> fell into desire and attachment---a tightrope

> indeed.........ONS..Tony.

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OM

I know of " humans " that masturbate when monkeys have

sex… and when humans have sex with monkeys… and dogs and

donkeys.

I remember in the Sydney's Taronga Park Zoo monkeys eating their

own, and each other's, feces and then throwing it at pestering

humans, like us kids.

 

These monkeys must have known something because I know of humans, and

dogs, who consider feces a delicacy.

 

I just have to laugh because if I WANT TO LAUGH then I have to SEE

MYSELF in all these humans, monkeys, dogs and donkeys. And when I

laugh (because there is no other) … then I don't seem to have

to do what " others " do … like eat feces, even if it is a

delicacy. And if I do eat feces then I am no better and no worse

than all my other egos, like monkeys and dogs and donkeys so who

cares – and that is the LAUGHER of non-duality: that there is NO

other who can care. Just the Laughter.

 

The more I " think " that I am different from " others " like animals

and criminals and perverts the more this separation kills this

LAUGHER: that there is no other.

 

LOVE

geza

 

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