Fwd: Talk 53. - A young man, Mr. Knowles,.....

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ThePowerOfSilence , ramana bhakta

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15th June, 1935

 

Talk 53.

 

A young man, Mr. Knowles, came for darsan. He had read

Paul Brunton's two books. He asked: " The Buddhists say

that `I'is unreal, whereas Paul Brunton in the Secret

Path tells us to get over the `I-thought'and reach the

state of `I'. Which is true? "

 

Maharshi: There are supposed to be two `I's; the one

is lower and unreal, of which all are aware; and the

other, the higher and the real, which is to be

realised.

 

You are not aware of yourself while asleep, you are

aware in wakefulness; waking, you say that you were

asleep; you did not know it in the deep sleep state.

So then, the idea of diversity has arisen along with

the body-consciousness; this body-consciousness arose

at some particular moment; it has origin and end. What

originates must be something. What is that something?

It is the `I'- consciousness. Who am I? Whence am I?

On finding the source, you realise the state of

Absolute Consciousness.

 

D.: Who is this `I'? It seems to be only a continuum

of sense-impression. The Buddhist idea seems to be so

too.

 

M.: The world is not external. The impressions cannot

have an outer origin. Because the world can be

cognised only by consciousness.

 

The world does not say that it exists. It is your

impression. Even so this impression is not consistent

and not unbroken. In deep sleep the world is not

cognised; and so it exists not for a sleeping

man. Therefore the world is the sequence of the ego.

Find out the ego. The finding of its source is the

final goal.

 

D.: I believe that we should not inflict suffering on

other lives. Should we then endure the mosquito bite

and submit to it also?

 

M.:You do not like to suffer yourself. How can you

inflict suffering on others? Just keep off mosquitoes

since you suffer by their stings.

 

D.: Is it right that we kill other lives, e.g.,

mosquitoes, bugs?

 

M.: Everyone is a suicide. The eternal, blissful, and

natural state has been smothered by this life of

ignorance. In this way the present life is due to

the killing of the eternal, pristine Being. Is it not

a case of suicide? So then, everyone is a suicide. Why

worry about murders and killing?

 

In the course of a later talk the visitor said: " The

world sends impressions and I awake! "

 

M.: Can the world exist without someone to perceive

it? Which is prior? The Being-consciousness or the

rising-consciousness? The Being-consciousness is

always there, eternal and pure. The

rising-consciousness rises forth and disappears. It is

transient.

 

D.: Does not the world exist for others even when I am

asleep?

 

M.: Such a world mocks at you also for knowing it

without knowing yourself. The world is the result of

your mind. Know your mind. Then see the world. You

will realise that it is not different from the Self.

 

D.: Is not Maharshi aware of himself and his

surroundings, as clearly as I am?

 

M.: To whom is the doubt? The doubts are not for the

realised. They are only for the ignorant.

 

 

 

 

 

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