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Namaste.

 

AVATARS.

 

 

What is an Avatar? The name in Sanksrit means `to cross down', so

that could mean all Jivas, or individual entities. However it

usually refers to a Karana Janma or a person who takes birth, even

though they karmically don't need to.

 

 

 

The Universal Consciousness or `God' doesn't take birth actually per

se, but is ever the witness of this play of Maya. So many entities

rise up to eventually become vehicles, as the Avatars of Visnu.

 

 

 

It appears that this concept operates at different levels from Amsa-

Avatars or partial avatars, to Avatars and finally to PurnaAvatar

or `Fully Divine Avatars', like Krishna.

 

 

 

Like the Buddhist concept of a Bhodisattava, a Jiva puts off

Liberation or Moksha and wills another life, to come back and help

humanity.

 

This `willing' is of course is a thought hence an Ego-Mind is

preserved, otherwise there would be no rebirth or anything to take

rebirth.

 

However there is nothing to prevent such an advanced being from

taking Moksha and surrendering the ego anytime in the Avatara, from

birth onwards. At his time the Avatar would become a PurnaAvatar or

JivanMukta, a surrendered ego and fully merged in the Universal

Consciousness. So it follows that a PurnaAvatar at birth took

Moksha at that time. Becoming a Jivanmukta with a Prarabda Karma to

perform during the lifetime.

 

 

 

The signs of a Mukta are usually, being an embodiment of Love, and

having no desires/attachments, as this requires a Jiva Ego-Mind.

Other than that it takes a Mukta to recognise another one.

 

 

 

A Jiva who follows the Bhakti path, and doesn't desire to lose its

identity, would rise to a level of consciousness just short of

Moksha called the Brahmaloka. At MahaPralaya or Great Dissolution of

the Universe this Jiva would merge into Moksha.

 

 

 

All this is within the projection of Maya, of course. For nothing

ever took birth or is reincarnated-------- " Who am I " ?...ONS..Tony.

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MillionPaths , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

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MillionPaths , Dalriada333@a... wrote:

>

>

> Well Tony,

>

> from my understandings of readings of the writings of others

> an Avartar is one so far above that a mere mortal

> can not from his understanding even speculate on what they are

>

> But my understanding for what it's worth

> is that an Avatar is one

> who on this earthly level can freely communicate,

> quite likely without knowing,

> that he or she is purely

> and very simply

> being

> Love in action.

>

> catherine

 

Namaste,

 

We are all avatars but we don't know it they do, that's the

difference essentially. It is a matter of not having an ego and

levels of awareness. Nothing is higher or lower, because 'God'

cannot be divided or subject to value judgements. So they are not so

far above the mere mortal. Who am I?...............ONS..Tony.

 

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advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

wrote:

>

> Namaste.

>

> AVATARS.

>

>

> What is an Avatar? The name in Sanksrit means `to cross down', so

> that could mean all Jivas, or individual entities. However it

> usually refers to a Karana Janma or a person who takes birth, even

> though they karmically don't need to.

>

>

>

> The Universal Consciousness or `God' doesn't take birth actually

per

> se, but is ever the witness of this play of Maya. So many entities

> rise up to eventually become vehicles, as the Avatars of Visnu.

>

>

>

> It appears that this concept operates at different levels from

Amsa-

> Avatars or partial avatars, to Avatars and finally to PurnaAvatar

> or `Fully Divine Avatars', like Krishna.

>

>

>

> Like the Buddhist concept of a Bhodisattava, a Jiva puts off

> Liberation or Moksha and wills another life, to come back and help

> humanity.

>

> This `willing' is of course is a thought hence an Ego-Mind is

> preserved, otherwise there would be no rebirth or anything to take

> rebirth.

>

> However there is nothing to prevent such an advanced being from

> taking Moksha and surrendering the ego anytime in the Avatara,

from

> birth onwards. At his time the Avatar would become a PurnaAvatar

or

> JivanMukta, a surrendered ego and fully merged in the Universal

> Consciousness. So it follows that a PurnaAvatar at birth took

> Moksha at that time. Becoming a Jivanmukta with a Prarabda Karma

to

> perform during the lifetime.

>

>

>

> The signs of a Mukta are usually, being an embodiment of Love, and

> having no desires/attachments, as this requires a Jiva Ego-Mind.

> Other than that it takes a Mukta to recognise another one.

>

>

>

> A Jiva who follows the Bhakti path, and doesn't desire to lose its

> identity, would rise to a level of consciousness just short of

> Moksha called the Brahmaloka. At MahaPralaya or Great Dissolution

of

> the Universe this Jiva would merge into Moksha.

>

>

>

> All this is within the projection of Maya, of course. For nothing

> ever took birth or is reincarnated-------- " Who am I " ?...ONS..Tony.

>

 

advaitin , " Nathan Port " <eport924> wrote:

>

>

> > advaitajnana , " Tony OClery "

<aoclery>

> > wrote:

>

> Greetings,

>> How does one keep a little bit of the ego and decide to be a

> Bodhisattva, or be in the Bramhaloka until the Great dissolution?

> I assume sadhana under a qualified guru is necessary, or is

willing

> it enough. For some, isn't final enlightenment something that

happens

> on it's own, and they never had a choice to stay or not?

 

Namaste, Nathan et al,

 

It isn't a case of keeping a little bit of the ego, that's like

being a little bit pregnant. It is about having an almost purified

mind and having overcome all vasanas and samskaras, except the one

ego thought or desire to take rebirth and help.

 

One doesn't choose to be in the Brahmaloka, it can happen because

one doesn't want to lose the identity of a Bhakta that is loving the

Lord or Ishtadevata. This again is keeping the ego desire to love

without becoming merged with one loved.

 

With regard to your last point on realisation being spontaneous,

well if one didn't have the desire to return that would be the case.

However people who return don't have a spontaneous thought about it,

it is something in their sadhana...............ONS...Tony.

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