Fwd: Modeling Time (MTS-4: Towards a Mathematical Theory of Spirituality Based on Advaita)

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advaitin , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote:

 

advaitin , " Srinivas Kotekal " <kots_p>

wrote:

>

 

> Time is very much exist in deep sleep too.

>

> How?

>

> Do you accept there are three states of waking, dream and deep-

sleep

> or not?

>

> If so, deep sleep state (just like other state) has two " events " ;

> events of starting and ending. Don't you think so?

>

> It follows that, events are nothing but points in Time.

>

> Even if one goes as far as arguing starting event(of deep sleep)

is

> the event of waking state only; then one can not overcome other

> difficulty. If there is no time in deep-sleep state, how can it

ends

> and one will wakeup anyways?

>

> Thus, if one does not aware of time in deep sleep, it does not

mean

> time doesn't exist as such. It simply means, we do not perceive it.

>

> Existence and perception are two different things. To exist is to

> perceive is vijnAnavAdin's position and vEdAnta rejects it.

>

> Thus, three states of waking,dream and dreamless, are NOT states

of

> reality as such but states of perception of single reality only.

>

> Regards,

> Srinivas.

 

Namaste,

 

Yes time does exist when one is in deep sleep but only for those in

illusion. Not for the jiva in deep sleep. Just as when one is in the

dream state, the waking state doesn't exist for that jiva. When one

is in samadhi the three states don't exist at all, and at moksha

they never ever did exist..............ONS...Tony.

 

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In advaitin , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...> wrote:

>

> Hello Hershji,

> You have been making the point if I take it

correctly that there

> is discovered by deep sleep a distinction between cosmic and local

time. May I

> tentatively suggest that the Deep Sleep state as proffered by

philosophers is an

> idealised limit condition of absolute nescience. >

> Now I accept completely the Deep Sleep argument which

Shankaracarya places so

> much reliance on but I see it as the ideal end point of a series

and not

> something we just fall into nightly. It is perhaps significant

that Ramana was

> notoriously hard to wake from 'the sphere of Brahman'.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Michael

 

Namaste,

 

Very simply deep sleep is nescience of course it is still a veil.

The Spere of Brahman is not a place at all unless you mean savikalpa

samadhi. It is my understanding that Ramana was in Nirvikalpa of the

highest order and thus had no real 'veil' connection. In fact as

Ramana was a Mukta there was nothing to experience anything at all.

He was the Absolute Sakti Mind, it was only the Prarabda of the body

that 'awoke' it...........ONS..Tony