Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 , " panamavolcan " <panamavolcan> wrote: > > > Dear Jan, > > Yes like I said I don't blame anyone for killing a carrot and eating > it, nor should anyone blame me or judge me for eating a nice juicy > steak..it's all the same except one is much higher in sugar content > (carrot) and the other higher in cholestrol(steak).. > Blessings > Randy > > > > , ecirada <ecirada> wrote: > > > > Sri Janaardana Kalianandaswami wrote: > > > > >Hari Om > > > > > >as a strict vegetarian I find that judging anyone on their diet > > >is completely revolting Namaste, As one has only to do one's best, and all is energy or food eating food anyway. One has to try and put as much Ahimsa into practice as possible. Vegetables don't have the same complex nervous system as animals although they do react to stimuli--there is only one consciousness in illuson. I personally don't eat meat because of the fact an animal has to be badly treated, tortured and murdered to supply it to me. They say they can now grow a steak in the laboratory, perhaps that will close down the slaughterhouses were the greatest holocaust in history goes on everyday. People can then satisfy the desire samskara of meat eating. Ramana always advised people to wean themselves off eating meat, right from the first books that were written on him. However with Ramana one always has to look to his audience at the time, for he was a Jivanmukta and therefore reflected their own minds back to them. I know there is no point in condeming or even really discussing meat eating with a meat eater, for they kind of suffer from the cognitive disorder of 'true believer syndrome' of their own ideas of meat eating. What really never ceases to amaze me is how people can sit and eat the decaying flesh of dead animals and conveniently ignore how it fetidly arrived on their plate. The ego is so strong it filters out the suffering animal in favour of meat addiction and sense enjoyment. There is definately some cognitive disconnect going on here......Perhaps a form of cognitive dissonance...........ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 for an enlightened being there is no discrimination in food though they may voluntarily choose a certain type so as to enable their followers in a path toward easy results.buddha did eat meat so did jesus and muhammad and vivekananda and saibaba and many others .the rishis of the vedic and upanishadic age as also rama and krishna ate meat.this did not stop them for realisation.bcoz the feeling i am eating meat which is a forbidden food was not in their mind .and tell me can anyone ,anyone in this world live in this world for a moment without harming no being.ahimsa is does not mean non killing though it includes that.it means non injury in any form.we all beings kill countless number of flies mosquitoes insects pests for some it may be animals.and all life do have feelings and they too strive to survive.therefore let us fix our aim high very high ,thats on atmam,then all these become trivial.and again it seems that with this thought in head 'regarding ahimsa and non killing' it may be that a habitual meat eater can realise with ease than an orthodox who has lots of restrictions in mind.for we all know that we should come above all pair of opposites to become aware of the atmam .in the end for a realised being it simply doesnt matter whether flesh or fruit,its all the same for them.I agree that sattvic food helps control the causation of thoughts.but what should have been a great aid for seekers 'that is vegetarian sattvic food 'can' become simply one more addition to the long que of do's and dont's already present in mind.this happens if the core intention or focus (realisation)is given away for these supplementary ideas. in bhagvans name advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > , " panamavolcan " > <panamavolcan> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jan, > > > > Yes like I said I don't blame anyone for killing a carrot and > eating > > it, nor should anyone blame me or judge me for eating a nice juicy > > steak..it's all the same except one is much higher in sugar content > > (carrot) and the other higher in cholestrol(steak).. > > Blessings > > Randy > > > > > > > > , ecirada <ecirada> > wrote: > > > > > > Sri Janaardana Kalianandaswami wrote: > > > > > > >Hari Om > > > > > > > >as a strict vegetarian I find that judging anyone on their diet > > > >is completely revolting > > > Namaste, > > As one has only to do one's best, and all is energy or food eating > food anyway. One has to try and put as much Ahimsa into practice as > possible. Vegetables don't have the same complex nervous system as > animals although they do react to stimuli--there is only one > consciousness in illuson. > > I personally don't eat meat because of the fact an animal has to be > badly treated, tortured and murdered to supply it to me. > > They say they can now grow a steak in the laboratory, perhaps that > will close down the slaughterhouses were the greatest holocaust in > history goes on everyday. People can then satisfy the desire > samskara of meat eating. > > Ramana always advised people to wean themselves off eating meat, > right from the first books that were written on him. However with > Ramana one always has to look to his audience at the time, for he > was a Jivanmukta and therefore reflected their own minds back to > them. > > I know there is no point in condeming or even really discussing meat > eating with a meat eater, for they kind of suffer from the cognitive > disorder of 'true believer syndrome' of their own ideas of meat > eating. > > What really never ceases to amaze me is how people can sit and eat > the decaying flesh of dead animals and conveniently ignore how it > fetidly arrived on their plate. The ego is so strong it filters out > the suffering animal in favour of meat addiction and sense > enjoyment. There is definately some cognitive disconnect going on > here......Perhaps a form of cognitive > dissonance...........ONS....Tony. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 advaitajnana , " krishnasai2020 " <krishnasai2020> wrote: > > for an enlightened being there is no discrimination in food though > they may voluntarily choose a certain type so as to enable their > followers in a path toward easy results.buddha did eat meat so did > jesus and muhammad and vivekananda and saibaba and many others .the > rishis of the vedic and upanishadic age as also rama and krishna ate > meat.this did not stop them for realisation.bcoz the feeling i am > eating meat which is a forbidden food was not in their mind .and tell > me can anyone ,anyone in this world live in this world for a moment > without harming no being.ahimsa is does not mean non killing though it > includes that.it means non injury in any form.we all beings kill > countless number of flies mosquitoes insects pests for some it may be > animals.and all life do have feelings and they too strive to > survive.therefore let us fix our aim high very high ,thats on > atmam,then all these become trivial.and again it seems that with this > thought in head 'regarding ahimsa and non killing' it may be that a > habitual meat eater can realise with ease than an orthodox who has > lots of restrictions in mind.for we all know that we should come above > all pair of opposites to become aware of the atmam .in the end for a > realised being it simply doesnt matter whether flesh or fruit,its all > the same for them.I agree that sattvic food helps control the > causation of thoughts.but what should have been a great aid for > seekers 'that is vegetarian sattvic food 'can' become simply one more > addition to the long que of do's and dont's already present in > mind.this happens if the core intention or focus (realisation)is given > away for these supplementary ideas. Namaste, The only name that I really take any notice of is Ramana Maharshi and his advice. I feel he was a Jivanmukt that could be examined close to our own time. Personally I don't eat meat because of the violence and cruelty involved and that's it. Occam's Razor. They tell me that they can grow steaks in the lab now, well good for them perhaps it will stop this animal holocaust. http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AVEGETARIANandAHIMSA.htm ONS...Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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