Cognitive Dissonance Carnalitas.

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Just working on this.............ONS...Tony.

 

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE CARNALITAS.

This is a version of cognitive dissonance that specifically applies

to spirituality, especially Buddhism and Hinduism and their

adherents. The Oxford Dictionary gives this meaning for Carnalitas;-

Sensuality, Unspirituality and Fleshiness.

In the Eastern Philosophies there is a basic tenet called Ahimsa or

resistance to the practice of violence;--in other words practice non-

violence. It is the essential teaching of the Buddha and all the

Hindu teachers, Avatars and Yogis. This is why `meat-eating' is not

practiced by these people.

However there are many on the `so called' spiritual path, especially

Westerners, who have a conflict with this. They know and understand

the teaching on Ahimsa and meat eating but yet ignore it and worse,

try and rationalize it, with innumerable excuses on why they still

partake of meat.

 

Usually with ideas like; `All is one', it doesn't matter what one

eats and so on. There seems to be a gap between the tenet of non-

violence and what they consume. They do not seem to connect the

torture and suffering of animals and what is on their plate.

Obviously there is some Egoistic desire and habit associated with

meat eating, which is stronger than their professed spirituality,

which demands Ahimsa.

I have studied this condition in spiritual seekers for some years

and could never understand the `disconnect'.

I finally decided that it is similar to the `True Believer

Syndrome', and also `Cognitive Dissonance', both of which are

cognitive disfunctions.

So I have coined the phrase `Cognitive Dissonance Carnalitas', to

describe this condition.

It only applies to `Eastern Spiritual Seekers', for other people who

eat meat have no conflict, as it is accepted as part of their

culture; So no cognitive dissonance arises……………..Tony O'Clery.

True-believer syndrome

The need to believe in phony wonders sometimes exceeds not only

logic but, seemingly, even sanity.

--The Rev. Canon William V. Rauscher

 

The true-believer syndrome merits study by science. What is it that

compels a person, past all reason, to believe the unbelievable. How

can an otherwise sane individual become so enamored of a fantasy, an

imposture, that even after it's exposed in the bright light of day

he still clings to it--indeed, clings to it all the harder?

--M. Lamar Keene

 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

 

 

Cognitive dissonance is a condition first proposed by the

psychologist Leon Festinger in 1956, relating to his hypothesis of

cognitive consistency.

 

Cognitive dissonance is a state of opposition between cognitions.

For the purpose of cognitive consistency theory, cognitions are

defined as being an attitude, emotion, belief or value, although

more recent theories, such as ecological cognition suggest that they

can also be a goal, plan, or an interest. In brief, the theory of

cognitive dissonance holds that contradicting cognitions serve as a

driving force that compels the human mind to acquire or invent new

thoughts or beliefs, or to modify existing beliefs, so as to

minimize the amount of dissonance (conflict) between cognitions

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Out of honest curiosity/wondering, is there any verse in sruti or writings by respected advaitins that says either eating meat or violence is wrong? I can find many that say that even killing a human being doestn't matter to the jnani, but none that suggest ahisma or vegatarianism. Aum! Shanti! AustinTony OClery <aoclery wrote: In the Eastern Philosophies there is a basic tenet called Ahimsa or resistance to the practice of violence;--in other words practice non-violence. It is the essential teaching of the Buddha and all the Hindu teachers, Avatars and Yogis. This is why `meat-eating' is not practiced by these people.

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advaitajnana , Samadhi Ananda <kalkin714>

wrote:

>

> Out of honest curiosity/wondering, is there any verse in sruti or

writings by respected advaitins that says either eating meat or

violence is wrong? I can find many that say that even killing a human

being doestn't matter to the jnani, but none that suggest ahisma or

vegatarianism.

>

> Aum! Shanti!

>

> Austin

>

> Tony OClery <aoclery> wrote:

> In the Eastern Philosophies there is a basic tenet called Ahimsa

or

> resistance to the practice of violence;--in other words practice non-

> violence.

 

Namaste,

 

I wondered about that myself. My belief is based on the teachings of

the masters and Jivnmuktas. Ahimsa would cover it all anyway. However

if there are any advaitins that could quote some more texts it would

be appreciated, other than the Gita that is. Krishna and water and

flower leaf etc.

This is from an article that I wrote on this subject.

http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/AVEGETARIANandAHIMSA.htm

 

" The great sage Yagnavalkya ,in his Yagnavalkyasmiti stated that

three ghastly crimes are committed by slaughtering animals for the

sake of eating their flesh.

 

These are :

(1)the taking of innocent life;

 

(2)the infliction of pain on the innocent animal during the process

of killing it;and

 

(3)the crime of depriving the animal of its strength through

slaughtering it.

 

Punishment for all three crimes entails twenty rebirths

characterised by premature and painful death in the first;

 

pain ,suffering and unhappiness,including family feuds,anxiety and

tensions in the second;

 

poor health in which the life of the person concerned will be wasted

away,in the third. "

 

................ONS....Tony.

[Guest guest]

How many Jnani's do you know that were meat-eaters? Yes, nothing matters to a Jnani since he/she does not develop karmas as he/she has lost identification with the body... but there is a difference between what a Jnani 'can do' and what 'he/she does'.

 

In a nutshell, if you can eat meat without desiring for it, it won't affect your Sadhana.... the same with other sensual objects. Try it... and find out where one stands!

 

Sachin

 

 

 

 

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Samadhi Ananda

12/01/05 23:56:20

advaitajnana

Re: Cognitive Dissonance Carnalitas.

 

Out of honest curiosity/wondering, is there any verse in sruti or writings by respected advaitins that says either eating meat or violence is wrong? I can find many that say that even killing a human being doestn't matter to the jnani, but none that suggest ahisma or vegatarianism.

 

Aum! Shanti!

 

AustinTony OClery <aoclery wrote:

 

In the Eastern Philosophies there is a basic tenet called Ahimsa or resistance to the practice of violence;--in other words practice non-violence. It is the essential teaching of the Buddha and all the Hindu teachers, Avatars and Yogis. This is why `meat-eating' is not practiced by these people.

 

[Guest guest]

advaitajnana , " Sachin Chavan "

<chavansachin@h...> wrote:

>

> How many Jnani's do you know that were meat-eaters? Yes, nothing

matters to

> a Jnani since he/she does not develop karmas as he/she has lost

> identification with the body... but there is a difference between

what a

> Jnani 'can do' and what 'he/she does'.

>

> In a nutshell, if you can eat meat without desiring for it, it

won't affect

> your Sadhana.... the same with other sensual objects. Try it...

and find out

> where one stands!

>

> Sachin

 

Namaste,

 

There is always the karmic vibrations in the meat that will create

samskaras for all who are not Jivanmuktas...........ONS..Tony.