Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > Namaste, > > Just working on this.............ONS...Tony. > > COGNITIVE DISSONANCE CARNALITAS. > This is a version of cognitive dissonance that specifically applies > to spirituality, especially Buddhism and Hinduism and their > adherents. The Oxford Dictionary gives this meaning for Carnalitas;- > Sensuality, Unspirituality and Fleshiness. > In the Eastern Philosophies there is a basic tenet called Ahimsa or > resistance to the practice of violence;--in other words practice non- > violence. It is the essential teaching of the Buddha and all the > Hindu teachers, Avatars and Yogis. This is why `meat-eating' is not > practiced by these people. > However there are many on the `so called' spiritual path, especially > Westerners, who have a conflict with this. They know and understand > the teaching on Ahimsa and meat eating but yet ignore it and worse, > try and rationalize it, with innumerable excuses on why they still > partake of meat. > > Usually with ideas like; `All is one', it doesn't matter what one > eats and so on. There seems to be a gap between the tenet of non- > violence and what they consume. They do not seem to connect the > torture and suffering of animals and what is on their plate. > Obviously there is some Egoistic desire and habit associated with > meat eating, which is stronger than their professed spirituality, > which demands Ahimsa. > I have studied this condition in spiritual seekers for some years > and could never understand the `disconnect'. > I finally decided that it is similar to the `True Believer > Syndrome', and also `Cognitive Dissonance', both of which are > cognitive disfunctions. > So I have coined the phrase `Cognitive Dissonance Carnalitas', to > describe this condition. > It only applies to `Eastern Spiritual Seekers', for other people who > eat meat have no conflict, as it is accepted as part of their > culture; So no cognitive dissonance arises……………..Tony O'Clery. > True-believer syndrome > The need to believe in phony wonders sometimes exceeds not only > logic but, seemingly, even sanity. > --The Rev. Canon William V. Rauscher > > The true-believer syndrome merits study by science. What is it that > compels a person, past all reason, to believe the unbelievable. How > can an otherwise sane individual become so enamored of a fantasy, an > imposture, that even after it's exposed in the bright light of day > he still clings to it--indeed, clings to it all the harder? > --M. Lamar Keene > > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. > > > Cognitive dissonance is a condition first proposed by the > psychologist Leon Festinger in 1956, relating to his hypothesis of > cognitive consistency. > > Cognitive dissonance is a state of opposition between cognitions. > For the purpose of cognitive consistency theory, cognitions are > defined as being an attitude, emotion, belief or value, although > more recent theories, such as ecological cognition suggest that they > can also be a goal, plan, or an interest. In brief, the theory of > cognitive dissonance holds that contradicting cognitions serve as a > driving force that compels the human mind to acquire or invent new > thoughts or beliefs, or to modify existing beliefs, so as to > minimize the amount of dissonance (conflict) between cognitions > Namaste, This article is now uploaded to the Wikipedia under the same title...Toy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Tony, I've seen you post on this in a number of groups now. Has something happened to make this a particularly burning issue with you recently? Also: you made a comment that eating meat wasn't necesarily the Dharma of humans. I didn't understand your assertion or reasoning. If you have time, could you clarify? Best Regards, W. Archibald = advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: > > advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Just working on this.............ONS...Tony. > > > > COGNITIVE DISSONANCE CARNALITAS. > > This is a version of cognitive dissonance that specifically > applies > > to spirituality, especially Buddhism and Hinduism and their > > adherents. The Oxford Dictionary gives this meaning for > Carnalitas;- > > Sensuality, Unspirituality and Fleshiness. > > In the Eastern Philosophies there is a basic tenet called Ahimsa > or > > resistance to the practice of violence;--in other words practice > non- > > violence. It is the essential teaching of the Buddha and all the > > Hindu teachers, Avatars and Yogis. This is why `meat-eating' is > not > > practiced by these people. > > However there are many on the `so called' spiritual path, > especially > > Westerners, who have a conflict with this. They know and > understand > > the teaching on Ahimsa and meat eating but yet ignore it and > worse, > > try and rationalize it, with innumerable excuses on why they still > > partake of meat. > > > > Usually with ideas like; `All is one', it doesn't matter what one > > eats and so on. There seems to be a gap between the tenet of non- > > violence and what they consume. They do not seem to connect the > > torture and suffering of animals and what is on their plate. > > Obviously there is some Egoistic desire and habit associated with > > meat eating, which is stronger than their professed spirituality, > > which demands Ahimsa. > > I have studied this condition in spiritual seekers for some years > > and could never understand the `disconnect'. > > I finally decided that it is similar to the `True Believer > > Syndrome', and also `Cognitive Dissonance', both of which are > > cognitive disfunctions. > > So I have coined the phrase `Cognitive Dissonance Carnalitas', to > > describe this condition. > > It only applies to `Eastern Spiritual Seekers', for other people > who > > eat meat have no conflict, as it is accepted as part of their > > culture; So no cognitive dissonance arises……………..Tony O'Clery. > > True-believer syndrome > > The need to believe in phony wonders sometimes exceeds not only > > logic but, seemingly, even sanity. > > --The Rev. Canon William V. Rauscher > > > > The true-believer syndrome merits study by science. What is it > that > > compels a person, past all reason, to believe the unbelievable. > How > > can an otherwise sane individual become so enamored of a fantasy, > an > > imposture, that even after it's exposed in the bright light of day > > he still clings to it--indeed, clings to it all the harder? > > --M. Lamar Keene > > > > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. > > > > > > Cognitive dissonance is a condition first proposed by the > > psychologist Leon Festinger in 1956, relating to his hypothesis of > > cognitive consistency. > > > > Cognitive dissonance is a state of opposition between cognitions. > > For the purpose of cognitive consistency theory, cognitions are > > defined as being an attitude, emotion, belief or value, although > > more recent theories, such as ecological cognition suggest that > they > > can also be a goal, plan, or an interest. In brief, the theory of > > cognitive dissonance holds that contradicting cognitions serve as > a > > driving force that compels the human mind to acquire or invent new > > thoughts or beliefs, or to modify existing beliefs, so as to > > minimize the amount of dissonance (conflict) between cognitions > > > Namaste, > > This article is now uploaded to the Wikipedia under the same > title...Toy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 advaitajnana , " cipherprime " <william@t...> wrote: > > > Tony, > > I've seen you post on this in a number > of groups now. Has something happened to > make this a particularly burning issue > with you recently? > > Also: you made a comment that eating meat > wasn't necesarily the Dharma of humans. I > didn't understand your assertion or reasoning. > If you have time, could you clarify? > > Best Regards, > W. Archibald Namaste, Yes I do cross post especially when I get moderated to prevent my answers or post appearing. If you challenge people's egos or desire this always happens. Sometimes I think that it should be pointed out that people purporting to be followers of certain Gurus but don't practice their ideas even, in public, should be questioned, at least. I think what triggered it this time was people saying they were Ramana followers going on about their thanksgiving turkeys etc. I asked the question and was of course attacked in a number of ways. So I sat down and tried to think where the dichotomy comes in with some of these people. So I coined and posted Cognitive Dissonance Carnalitis. I started out with carne, but then realised that was Spanish so I looked up the Latin to be more appropriate. The human body isn't set up to be meat eaters, we have no large tearing teeth and our intestines are too long, resulting in flesh over staying in our bowels. Plus we don't need the violent vibrations in our minds and bodies from ingesting this type of food. So it is alright for a lion to eat meat but not a human. Although some are not at that understanding so meat is eaten. Also in some primitive areas without agriculture it is or was unavoidable...ONS...Tony. Also in mystic tradition, in the Bible/Genesis and Bagavatha Purana there were descents of 'Beings'/Kumaras into earth bodies to guide spiritually. As in the Ramayana where the demonic are distuingished by their flesh eating habits etc. So we are more like the Bonobo Chimps and Gorillas, set up for a vegetarian diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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