Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 ThePowerOfSilence , " viorica " <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > > Of all the aspects of Advaita philosophy that of Maya is the > > most difficult to understand, still more to explain. Some interpret > it as ignorance, others as dream, others still as illusion, and nothing > but experience can explain it satisfactorily. In the meantime > considerable misunderstanding is created by explanations – the > more it is explained, the more obscure it becomes. > > In one of the Ashrams I visited in 1939 I met a Canadian > > lady. She had come to India " in search of Truth, " and had > visited many yogis and Ashrams, the last of which was the > Ramakrishna Mutt in Madras. We talked as usual on yoga, > meditation, etc., but when I mentioned the word " maya " , she > gasped, clutched her throat, and dropped her voice: " Don't say > it, " she whispered, " those people of Ramakrishna Mission were > about to destroy me, but God came to my rescue and I escaped. " > I. How do you mean, did they want to kill you? They are > > sannyasis. > > She. Not my body, but my soul. They told me that nothing > > exists: no world, no human beings, no trees, nothing, > nothing – all is illusion, all my own imagination, and > that I cannot kill the illusion till I surrender myself. > Where will I be without my soul and mind? > > I had no alternative but to change the subject. > But Sri Bhagavan's explanations are superb, as will be > > seen from the following dialogues. > > > > * * * * > > > > 15th April, 1937 > > > > > Mr. C. wanted to know the mystery of this gigantic > > world illusion. > > > C. We speak of the world as illusion, yet everything in it > > follows rigid laws, which proves it to be well-planned > and well-regulated. > > > > Bhagavan. Yes, he who projected the illusion gave it the > > appearance of order and sound planning. > > > > C. All spiritual institutions except the Advaitic give > > prominence to the creative aspect of Reality, which they > name God. They speak of prophets, saints, scriptures, > etc. Are they all illusion? > > > > Bh. They all exist in the same way as you, the questioner, > > exist. You are in the relative world, so they are; or else > you would not have known of them. In dreams one also > sees a well-regulated world with saints, scriptures, etc., > but the moment one wakes up they all disappear. So also > waking from this dream world into the Supreme > Consciousness causes them all to disappear. > > > > C. But how out of Truth does illusion, falsehood spring up? > > > Bh. Maya is not falsehood, although it has the appearance of > > it, but the active side of Reality. It is the maker of forms > in Consciousness and form means variety, which causes > illusion – mind you, all this variety is in consciousness > and nowhere else; it is only in the mind. One jiva, seeing > another jiva, forgets its identity with it and thinks of it > as separate from itself. But the moment it turns its > attention on its own nature as consciousness, and not as > form, the illusion of diversity or separateness breaks as a > dream breaks when waking takes place. > > > > C. It is hard to conceive God, the formless, giving rise to forms. > > > > Bh. Why hard? Does not your mind remain formless when > > you do not perceive or think, say, in deep sleep, in > samadhi, or in a swoon? And does it not create space and > relationship when it thinks and impels your body to act? > Just as your mind devises and your body executes in one > homogeneous, automatic act, so automatic, in fact, that > most people are not aware of the process, so does the > Divine Intelligence devise and plan and His Energy > automatically and spontaneously acts – the thought and > the act are one integral whole. This Creative Energy > which is implicit in Pure Intelligence is called by various > names, one of which is maya or shakti, the Creator of > forms or images. > > > > http://www.ramanamaharshi.info > ThePowerOfSilence , " viorica " <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > > Of all the aspects of Advaita philosophy that of Maya is the > Namaste, This is the operative verse; " Bh.They all exist in the same way as you, the questioner, exist. You are in the relative world, so they are; or else you would not have known of them. In dreams one also sees a well-regulated world with saints, scriptures, etc., but the moment one wakes up they all disappear. So also waking from this dream world into the Supreme Consciousness causes them all to disappear " ............... They disappear because they cannot exist and yet realised souls/Brahman not be aware of them. So they cannot have existed in the first place.........It is so simple the Truth..Ramana doesn't go much into Ajativada except to say it is the ultimate truth. He prefers to talke about Saguna Brahman or the Self as most of his audience have the capacity to understand that. Mainly because there is no conflict Moksha of Saguna and Nirguna are simultaneous......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 MillionPaths , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: MillionPaths , " Brian " <bjkay@o...> wrote: > > Hi Tony- > > What never happened at all? What, other than thought, creates concepts like Brahman, > illusion, division, etc.? The important question is - Who is the thinker:) > > -B Namaste, Yes that's right, no thought, no dream, no appearance, no creation, no mind -----------nothing ever happened -----ajativada, which Ramana says is the ultimate truth. Of course logically it has to be, otherwise if realised Muktis don't see the world, there would be a defficiency or duality; so the only answer is it never happened... --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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