ARE JESUS, MARY, BRAHMAN, KRISHNA, REAL OR DO THEY ALL COME FROM THE GOD WI

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ARE JESUS, MARY, BRAHMAN, KRISHNA, REAL OR DO THEY ALL COME FROM THE

GOD WITHIN?

 

Rasa Von Werder answers Achim

 

http://www.womanthouartgod.com/beatific.php

 

 

THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU WHAT FOLLOWS:

 

YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE EXPERIENCING, AMONG OTHER IMPORTANT SPIRITUAL

EXPERIENCES, A BETROTHAL TO JESUS. SO YOU LOVE HIM VERY MUCH. AS I

LOVE HIM TOO. AND YOU SAY THAT IT DEPENDS ON THE BACKGROUND OF A

PERSON, WHAT KIND OF GOD SOMEONE ENCOUNTERS. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS:

HOW REAL ARE THE GODS AND GODDESSES WHO WE WORSHIP AND LOVE, OR EVEN

ARE ENGAGED WITH OR MARRIED TO? ARE THEY JUST CULTURALLY INFLUENCED

SYMBOLS AND IMAGES OUR BRAINS GENERATE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO

SHOW LOVE TO AN INFINITE GOD

 

*** This is so profound and difficult I will have to channel the God

within me. I have never gotten a definitive answer to this before. I

will now try. My God within, what is the answer to this?

 

GOD WITHIN:

 

*** Each human being has to learn how to kow- tow (bend, surrender)

to the God Within, but Churches and Mosques and Temples and Religions

do not have symbols of That God within them. But it is That God Whom

you must reach. In leui or as a substitute for the God within you,

religions present cultural symbols of God, such as Matriarchal or

Patriarchal symbols, according to what they believe or want you to

believe. But ultimately, it is the God Within that you must reach.

 

When Rasa worshipped Jesus she eventually reached the God Within

through him. (Also meditating yoga style she reached the Atman and

spoke much to It at an earlier time.) He was the symbol and the

inspiration for all that had to be done to go from flesh to Spirit.

His words, his gospel, his death on the cross are all markers of the

Way, the Truth and the Life. You do what He did, you 'become' God or

reach God within you.

 

This is no different than yoga, as Rasa discovered, and so, she claims

this strongly. Jesus is the Guru of Christianity and He was teaching

yoga - not the Hebrew way of worship. (The Hebrew way of worship

being rather dualistic, although the highest mystics, as usual, get

the point of the God within.)

 

When 'Jesus' appears is it the historical Jesus or the God within?

One cannot say that Jesus, Mary or saints never appear to us as those

great historical figures. However, in most cases it might just be the

God Within appearing in that form, explaining to us exactly where we

are on the Highway of Love. So at the betrothal, Rasa became a Saint

or entered into the first part of the Unitive way (the Unitive being a

high position with God....one begins to be AtOne with God.) God

appears as Jesus because Rasa is praying to Jesus.

 

(OR EVEN WORSE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT

IS YOUR POSITION OF COURSE, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO LIVE IN A UNIVERSE

THAT HAS NO INTEREST IN US AT ALL,)

 

*** There have been many - psychologists, intellectuals, occultists

and such - who say that all this is created by the mind and goes no

farther. However, if you study these persons as I have (study their

lives and see their interior state in vision,) you will find in some

cases they are spiritually dead and many enter into Hell. And so,

they are not able to manufacture the thing that the saints have! They

are not able to rise up into Heaven by psychology, occultism or

intellectualism! There is something far beyond the human mind going

on! Yoga is very good at explaining that we have to go past the mind,

literally discard the mind, to enter into Heaven on earth and in

eternity. The mind itself is a curtain or stumbling block. Live in

the mind/brain alone and you will never attain God. (Now, by the word

mind I am speaking of the mind or attention, or focus being no farther

than the earth and the thoughts and ideas of the earth or even of

loftier things - but falling short of Love and God.....these

intellectual creations go in a circle, round and round and always come

back to the individual and the ego.) Again, the ego and the mind are

the curtain between us and God, and it is through devotional worship

we get past them.

 

In some cases, the sadhakas (meditators, seekers) might not stand out

as greatly loving people or devoted saints. However, by their decision

to give up everything for God - or the Absolute Truth - (although

these souls are not particularly self-sacrificing toward others in the

way Jesus taught), however they have given up everything for the

Absolute. So they have sacrificed the ego, mind, flesh, and the

world. These souls also attain Reality, Enlightenment and the Absolute.

 

OR IS THERE A MULTITUDE OF GODS

WHO MAY NOT EVEN KNOW EACH OTHER (LIKE THE GURUS WE HAVE HERE ON

EARTH)?

 

*** Those saints who ascend into Heaven know what they have to know

but they do not know everything. The Gods which are archetypes - who

knows what is going on here? Look at the Pantheon of Hindu Gods.

Brahman, Shiva, Shakti,.....are they real? They are real symbols and

they manifest to us as real. God takes on the clothing of an image or

a body and appears to us and becomes real. Whatever way you worship

or believe, that is the way God will appear to you!

 

 

OR IS THERE SOME KIND OF HIERARCHY IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD?

IS THERE ONE GOD WHO IS JOYFULLY ACCEPTING OR EVEN GENERATING THE

LOVE PEOPLE SHOW THE DIFFERENT GODS OF THEIR CULTURE?

 

*** Who is there among humans who can understand the One Central

God? Can we hold Infinity in our minds and hearts? Everything we

see, think of and imagine is a manifestation of God. We are like ants

to Infinity, and we try and understand It? Like they say, we must

dissolve in the Infinite Ocean of Bliss to get some idea of Who and

What God is. While we are in the human consciousness, it is impossible.

 

As we surrender all that is of our lower selves, we lose ourselves but

gain God and understanding of God. This is the entire work of

salvation, redemption, devotion. All roads lead to Rome. All good

religions teach us to let go of our lower nature, to die to self, and

then, we rise up to God through grace. Then we see the bigger picture.

 

 

BUT IF THAT IS

TRUE SHOULDN'T THERE BE A DIRECT CONNECTION TO THAT ONE GOD ALSO? AS

SOON AS I THOUGHT THAT WAY I WOULD LIKE TO LOVE THAT ONE GOD. HOW

REAL IS JESUS, HOW REAL IS MARY, HOW REAL IS KRISHNA? DO THEY REALLY

HEAR OUR PRAYERS OR DOES OUR DEVOTION TO THEM ONLY HELP US TO FIND

THE GOD IN OURSELVES? BUT IF THAT IS SO, WHY NOT DIRECTLY SEARCH FOR

GOD IN OURSELVES? WHY LIVING IN AN ILLUSION?

 

*** Yoga does teach that. Siddha yoga is the one I know best, from

Muktananda. He implored his devotees to love and honor the Self,

meaning God Within. Buddhism certainly teaches that. You should

really find the God within you - that is the work, the ultimate goal.

But few religions say that. So those who say,

 

'I am God....God and I are one....I have seen God face to face and God

and I are the same....'

 

You saw what happened when I put up my group, 'I Saw God and Lived.'

There was an immediate barrage of extreme attacks from the religious,

accusing me of blaspheming and deadly sin. It is because religion

does not for the most part teach us to seek the God within, but a

symbol of God without.

 

Let me say this in conclusion:

 

God within is the Infinite God! When you reach This God within you,

you are there! The greater your surrender and death to self, the

greater will be your acceptance and comprehension of the Infinite God.

You manifest this Infinite God when you die to all things but God.

 

I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION /QUESTIONS THAT REALLY

SATISFIES MY MIND AND MY HEART AT THE SAME TIME BY KNOW. IF YOU

COULD HELP ME, I WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL.

 

LOVE AND THANKS A LOT IN ADVANCE

 

ACHIM

 

*** You are very welcome and questions from seekers and even great

Gurus and Holy Saints, are always welcome. Rasa

 

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TastingSugar/

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advaitajnana , " Rasa Von Werder " <rasa@w...>

wrote:

>

> ARE JESUS, MARY, BRAHMAN, KRISHNA, REAL OR DO THEY ALL COME FROM THE

> GOD WITHIN?

 

Namaste,

 

When you reach the 'God Within', you will ultimately find there is no

God within.............Only Nirguna Brahman.....ONS..Tony.