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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

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GuruRatings , " simon " <tamborineman@t...>

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> GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

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> > GuruRatings , " simon " <tamborineman@t...>

> > wrote:

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> > > > > The >

> > > Sai: No, I have no religion, Jody. It is not 'my' idea either.

> > > " Deeper nature " isn't an accurate term to use, really.

> > > There is no 'deeper' really. But there is an 'attunement' via

the

> > > brain, and mental body, to the soul. And when

this 'is'...there you

> > > have revelation. You have attuned to your buddhi nature.

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > This is your religion Simon, IE that you don't have one, but

many

> > ideas. Each is a religion.

>

> Sai: Not so. As I stated also, they are not 'my' ideas either.

>

> > The brain and mental body cannot be attuned to the soul. That is

the

> > basis of palpable nonsense taught by kalki, and all the other

guru

> > whodoos around................ONS...Tony.

>

> Sai: Well I don't know about what Kalki teaches, but I do know that

> many respected teachers of Buddhism, and Advaita, have no problem

> with this 'knowledge'.

>

> The 'rainbow bridge' - the Antahkarana, acts as a...well, like a

bridge!

> From the lower mind (manas), to the higher manas ... attunement.

> This is, in essence, the purpose of meditation.

>

> " No single rung of the ladder leading to knowledge can be skipped.

No

> personality [personal self or soul] can ever reach or bring itself

> into communication with Atmâ [divine self], except through

> Buddhi-Manas [higher self]... "

>

Namaste Simon,

 

These eclectic teachings do not reflect the teachings of either

Ramana or the Buddha in the purest form.

 

For a start there are not real divisions in the kosas all are 'mind'

it is just a way to explain the illusion that's all.

 

The Atma or Soul has nothing to do but witness 'creation' it is not

involved in this delusion.

 

If you really want to talk about kosas then the one to concentrate

on is the Vijnanamayakosa for this is the one of 'awareness'.

 

It is not a matter of brining one in communicaton with something

but more a cleansing of samksaras and vasanas so one can be aware of

the true situation.

 

Even rebirth is an illusion within delusion. Ramana said the idea

was an interloper, and we had to find out who we are and what

supposedly takes birth.

 

Advaitins know it is all illusion and use it only as a tool, for

realisation. You should not mistake their description of the dream

for belief.

 

The ulitmate in advaita is ajativada on non creation. You should

check my original entry, now edited by experts, under 'Ajativada',

and the links there.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advaita_Vedanta_Ajativada

 

My advice to you if you want it is; don't keep digging holes looking

for water all around, stick to one digging until you get to water.

 

 

ONS....Tony.

 

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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

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GuruRatings , " sai " <tamborineman@t...> wrote:

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> > > > Sai: No, I have no religion, Jody. It is not 'my' idea

either.

> " Deeper nature " isn't an accurate term to use, really.

> There is no 'deeper' really. But there is an 'attunement' via the

brain, and

> mental body, to the soul. And when this 'is'...there you have

revelation.

> You have attuned to your buddhi nature.

>

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > This is your religion Simon, IE that you don't have one, but

> many

> > > ideas. Each is a religion.

 

Namaste,Simon,

 

My advice has nothing to do with the fact that you defended, what I

regard as a fraud guru. I also was a vociferous defender for about

two weeks, ask the boys. Lets put that aside for a moment.

 

The Atma takes no action. However if you take Krishna's example of

two birds on a bough and only one is acting then it is an analogy

for creation.

It is not possible to attune oneself to the soul. One can only

eliminate the illusionary samskaras that are preventing one from

realising the Self.

 

Your analogy of a bridge is indicative of separation, for what is

bridged?

 

My offer to the page I entered, on Wiki, was made in good faith,

that fact I dont believe in your guru has absolutely nothing to do

with it.

 

Ajativada as Ramana says is the ultimate and original truth, nothing

ever happened.

 

You must ask yourself the question, if creation disappears on

bodiless moksha or death of a Mukta, it could never have been there

in the first place. Otherwise we have duality...........ONS...Tony.

 

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