Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 GuruRatings , " Durga " <durgaji108 wrote: > > > > What, Jody, would you say, (if you can say) would be > a result of the rewiring process? What would that > look like? Would the individual tend to be more kind, > more compassionate, more tolerant towards him/herself > and others, more spacious? > > IMO the people whom I have met, who I would say > are 'mature' jnanis do seem to embody those qualities. > > Even if you want to say that the Self does not have > qualities, (which I believe you have said before) > still, according to some mature jnanis whom I have > met and who I respect, the qualities I mentioned above > are said to be 'resonant' and in harmony with the > nature of the Self. > > Durga > Namaste,IMHO, The Self has no nature and no judgements! Rewiring doesn't occur all that happens is present thoughts are overwhelmed by an avalanche of a new thought/s. Compassion, kindness, Daya and all these attributes do not belong to Brahman, and they are only useful in developing a sadhana and concentration for the uninitiated. They all add up to Ahimsa or non violence or even movement. For perfect peace is lack of movement NirVana. The end result in there being no movement. Wandering back into the realms of psychology is a dead end...ONS.Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 --- In GuruRatings , " Durga " <durgaji108 wrote: > > > > What, Jody, would you say, (if you can say) would be > a result of the rewiring process? What would that > look like? Would the individual tend to be more kind, > more compassionate, more tolerant towards him/herself > and others, more spacious? > > IMO the people whom I have met, who I would say > are 'mature' jnanis do seem to embody those qualities. > > Even if you want to say that the Self does not have > qualities, (which I believe you have said before) > still, according to some mature jnanis whom I have > met and who I respect, the qualities I mentioned above > are said to be 'resonant' and in harmony with the > nature of the Self. > > Durga > Namaste,IMHO, The Self has no nature and no judgements! Rewiring doesn't occur all that happens is present thoughts are overwhelmed by an avalanche of a new thought/s. Compassion, kindness, Daya and all these attributes do not belong to Brahman, and they are only useful in developing a sadhana and concentration for the uninitiated. They all add up to Ahimsa or non violence or even movement. For perfect peace is lack of movement NirVana. The end result in there being no movement. Wandering back into the realms of psychology is a dead end...ONS.Tony. xxxxxxxxxxx Hi Tony, “No movement” sounds even deader! Hey, did you write this? It appears on the group web page: THROUGH THE VICISSITUDES OF LIFE THERE IS ONLY ONE GROUND, ONE CONSTANT AND THAT IS LOVE. If one were to realize the truth of those words, do you think one might radiate more kindness, compassion, tolerance and spaciousness than before? Or will their love be hidden and unexpressed? BTW, what does ONS mean? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 advaitajnana , " Mark Hovila " <hovila wrote: > > GuruRatings , " Durga " <durgaji108@> wrote: > > > > > > > What, Jody, would you say, (if you can say) would be > > a result of the rewiring process? What would that > > look like? Would the individual tend to be more kind, > > more compassionate, more tolerant towards him/herself > > and others, more spacious? > > > > IMO the people whom I have met, who I would say > > are 'mature' jnanis do seem to embody those qualities. > > > > Even if you want to say that the Self does not have > > qualities, (which I believe you have said before) > > still, according to some mature jnanis whom I have > > met and who I respect, the qualities I mentioned above > > are said to be 'resonant' and in harmony with the > > nature of the Self. > > > > Durga > > > Namaste,IMHO, > > The Self has no nature and no judgements! > > Rewiring doesn't occur all that happens is present thoughts are > overwhelmed by an avalanche of a new thought/s. > > Compassion, kindness, Daya and all these attributes do not belong > to Brahman, and they are only useful in developing a sadhana and > concentration for the uninitiated. They all add up to Ahimsa or non > violence or even movement. For perfect peace is lack of movement > NirVana. The end result in there being no movement. > > Wandering back into the realms of psychology is a dead > end...ONS.Tony. > > > > xxxxxxxxxxx > > Hi Tony, > > " No movement " sounds even deader! > > Hey, did you write this? It appears on the group web page: > > THROUGH THE VICISSITUDES OF LIFE THERE IS ONLY ONE GROUND, ONE CONSTANT AND > THAT IS LOVE. > > If one were to realize the truth of those words, do you think one might > radiate more kindness, compassion, tolerance and spaciousness than before? > Or will their love be hidden and unexpressed? > > BTW, what does ONS mean? > > Mark > Namaste Mark, ONS =Om Namah Sivaya. Sometimes the truth can be the hard rock you are sitting on. Yes that is a quote directly from myself but it is still within illusion. For it is real enough whilst one is in it. Emotionalism and pollyanna love words are not spirituality.........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 advaitajnana , " Mark Hovila " <hovila wrote: > > GuruRatings , " Durga " <durgaji108@> wrote: > > > > > > > What, Jody, would you say, (if you can say) would be > > a result of the rewiring process? What would that > > look like? Would the individual tend to be more kind, > > more compassionate, more tolerant towards him/herself > > and others, more spacious? > > > > IMO the people whom I have met, who I would say > > are 'mature' jnanis do seem to embody those qualities. > > > > Even if you want to say that the Self does not have > > qualities, (which I believe you have said before) > > still, according to some mature jnanis whom I have > > met and who I respect, the qualities I mentioned above > > are said to be 'resonant' and in harmony with the > > nature of the Self. > > > > Durga > > > Namaste,IMHO, > > The Self has no nature and no judgements! > > Rewiring doesn't occur all that happens is present thoughts are > overwhelmed by an avalanche of a new thought/s. > > Compassion, kindness, Daya and all these attributes do not belong > to Brahman, and they are only useful in developing a sadhana and > concentration for the uninitiated. They all add up to Ahimsa or non > violence or even movement. For perfect peace is lack of movement > NirVana. The end result in there being no movement. > > Wandering back into the realms of psychology is a dead > end...ONS.Tony. > > > > xxxxxxxxxxx > > Hi Tony, > > " No movement " sounds even deader! > > Hey, did you write this? It appears on the group web page: > > THROUGH THE VICISSITUDES OF LIFE THERE IS ONLY ONE GROUND, ONE CONSTANT AND > THAT IS LOVE. > > If one were to realize the truth of those words, do you think one might > radiate more kindness, compassion, tolerance and spaciousness than before? > Or will their love be hidden and unexpressed? > > BTW, what does ONS mean? > > Mark > Namaste Mark, ONS =Om Namah Sivaya. Sometimes the truth can be the hard rock you are sitting on. Yes that is a quote directly from myself but it is still within illusion. For it is real enough whilst one is in it. Emotionalism and pollyanna love words are not spirituality.........Tony. xxxxxxxxxxxx But words like “nothing ever happened” and “no movement” and “Om Namah Sivaya” are? I don’t think I would go along with your assertion that the Self has no nature. The most honest thing I can say about the Self is that I don’t know what its nature is. “Don’t know” is not an easy position to adopt, because certainty is so desperately desired. But that certainty seems to displace humility. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 advaitajnana , " Mark Hovila " <hovila wrote: > > advaitajnana , " Mark Hovila " <hovila@> > wrote: > > > > GuruRatings , " Durga " <durgaji108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What, Jody, would you say, (if you can say) would be > > > a result of the rewiring process? What would that > > > look like? Would the individual tend to be more kind, > > > more compassionate, more tolerant towards him/herself > > > and others, more spacious? > > > > > > IMO the people whom I have met, who I would say > > > are 'mature' jnanis do seem to embody those qualities. > > > > > > Even if you want to say that the Self does not have > > > qualities, (which I believe you have said before) > > > still, according to some mature jnanis whom I have > > > met and who I respect, the qualities I mentioned above > > > are said to be 'resonant' and in harmony with the > > > nature of the Self. > > > > > > Durga > > > > > Namaste,IMHO, > > > > The Self has no nature and no judgements! > > > > Rewiring doesn't occur all that happens is present thoughts are > > overwhelmed by an avalanche of a new thought/s. > > > > Compassion, kindness, Daya and all these attributes do not belong > > to Brahman, and they are only useful in developing a sadhana and > > concentration for the uninitiated. They all add up to Ahimsa or > non > > violence or even movement. For perfect peace is lack of movement > > NirVana. The end result in there being no movement. > > > > Wandering back into the realms of psychology is a dead > > end...ONS.Tony. > > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Hi Tony, > > > > " No movement " sounds even deader! > > > > Hey, did you write this? It appears on the group web page: > > > > THROUGH THE VICISSITUDES OF LIFE THERE IS ONLY ONE GROUND, ONE > CONSTANT AND > > THAT IS LOVE. > > > > If one were to realize the truth of those words, do you think one > might > > radiate more kindness, compassion, tolerance and spaciousness than > before? > > Or will their love be hidden and unexpressed? > > > > BTW, what does ONS mean? > > > > Mark > > > Namaste Mark, > > ONS =Om Namah Sivaya. > > Sometimes the truth can be the hard rock you are sitting on. Yes > that is a quote directly from myself but it is still within > illusion. For it is real enough whilst one is in it. Emotionalism > and pollyanna love words are not spirituality.........Tony. > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > But words like " nothing ever happened " and " no movement " and " Om Namah > Sivaya " are? > > I don't think I would go along with your assertion that the Self has no > nature. The most honest thing I can say about the Self is that I don't know > what its nature is. " Don't know " is not an easy position to adopt, because > certainty is so desperately desired. But that certainty seems to displace > humility. > > Mark > Namaste M, There is a ground, a Sakti, a Saguna Brahman within illusion. However apart from the undifferentiated love energy the Self is the Sakshin or Witness.............I have no certainty as I am not realised, but my logic tells me that all this never happened at all. All these qualities indicate the Self as Saguna Brahman, and they are really to be used to achieve 'concentration' and sadhana to realise oneself.........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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