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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " Durga " <durgaji108@> wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , ecirada <ecirada@> wrote:

> >

> > Durga wrote:

> > > GuruRatings , ecirada <ecirada@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Michael Bowes wrote:

> > > > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery "

<aoclery@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > GuruRatings , " Durga " <durgaji108@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Advaita/Vedanta speaks of Brahman constantly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is something I saw to day on another list.

> > > > > > > It's a quote from the Kaivalya Upanishad (19)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Me alone is everything born,

> > > > > > > in Me does everything rest,

> > > > > > > and in Me is everything dissolved.

> > > > > > > I am that Brahman, the secondless.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Durga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If everything is dissolved then it cannot have existed

in

> the

> > > first

> > > > > > place.....ONS.Tony.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tony,

> > > > >

> > > > > If I had some sugar and dissolved it in water, then

> according to

> > > you,

> > > > > the sugar would have never existed? Is that correct?

> > > > >

> > > > Don't mistake dissolving for disappearing:

> > > > Sugar dissolved in water gives it a sweet taste

> > > > and a few other properties but it doesn't vanish.

> > >

> > > I was going to point out something similar

> > > in that sugar dissolved in water gives water

> > > a sweet taste. This analogy does not hold

> > > true for the creation and Brahman.

> > Energy can't be created out of nothing but

> > (in theory) anything can be created from energy.

> > Unless Brahman is understood as primeval energy

> > preceding the instability labeled " Big Bang " , no

> > creation is possible. But then, " energy " presupposes

> > the existence of space-time.

> > >

> > > The creation when dissolved, or resolved does not

> > > 'flavor' Brahman. In fact, even when the creation is

> > > created, maintained, and resolved, it in no way

> > > affects or flavors Brahman.

> >

> > The big " IF " is the dissolution of matter: even black holes

> > don't dissolve it but convert matter (back) into energy.

> >

> > >

> > > Vedanta is very fond of sayings this like:

> > > The creation is made from Brahman

> > > But Brahman is not made from the creation.

> > >

> > > Durga

 

Namaste D,

 

If anything can be dissolved into Brahman then it cannot have

existed in the first place! For Brahman is not illusion and cannot

entertain illusion, that is dualistic actually or potentially.

 

The way you argue, Durga ,is from a very fixed form of

visishtadvaita----- almost.

 

You are saying that a full bucket can understand a full pond.

Therefore the full bucket is the whole truth, when it is only the

truth to the bucket.

A full bucket cannot understand a full pond. Full being the

operative word, that could even be belief systems or dogma and

doctrine.

 

There are illusory concepts but they aren't written in stone, there

is no dogma just steps on the path to the ultimate

truth.,,Ajativada..As Gaudapada and Ramana would agree..........Tony.

 

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