Real and unreal.

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advaitin , " Chittaranjan Naik "

<chittaranjan_naik wrote:

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> Namaste Shri Anandaji,

>

> advaitin , Ananda Wood <awood@> wrote:

>

> > In Shri Shankara's " aparokShAnubhUti " (116), there is

> > an interesting description of non-dual realization --

> > as a clarifying shift of meaning, which takes what we

> > call 'vision' ( " driShtim " ) and makes of it pure

> > knowledge ( " jnyAna-mayIm " ). Here is the text, with a

> > very free English rendering in brackets afterwards.

> >

> > driShTim jnyAna-mayIm kritvA pashyan brahma-mayam jagat

> >

> > [Converting sight of objects into

> > seeing that just knows, that very

> > seeing is none other than

> > the world's complete reality.]

>

> O beautiful, Anandaji! This is exactly the conclusion i had tried

to

> present in the summary of the discussions on the 'Real and the

> Unreal' through the following words:

>

> " Brahman is Nirguna. Forms do not describe Brahman, but Brahman is

> Pure Knowledge in which all forms are eternally present as forms

that

> He Knows. Therefore the highest truth is that Brahman is Nirguna,

and

> Nirguna Brahman is purna with knowledge. That is His omniscience. "

>

> " Nirguna Brahman is Itself Its all-knowingness. And Its all-

> knowingness is Itself the reality of the all. The All does not

> contradict the perfect formlessness, the perfect immutability, the

> perfect Oneness, and the sole reality of Brahman. This is the

Brahman

> of the Vedas. It has to be known through the Divine Third Eye. The

> third eye is the eye of Shiva. He who opens it is Shiva. "

 

Namaste,C-ji,IMHO,

 

Your description of Nirguna is really a further description of the

Saguna concept. Brahman cannot be purna or omniscient, for there is

nothing to know. Here are a few lines of the last lines in the

creation hymn for the Rig Veda;

"

Who really knows? Who will here proclaim it? Whence was it

produced? Whence is this creation? The gods came afterwards, with

the creation of this universe. Who then knows whence it has arisen?

 

Whence this creation has arisen-perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps

it did not-the one who looks down on it, in the highest heaven, only

he knows-or perhaps he does not know. "

 

Rig Veda, 10.29, 1. Nasadiya-Creation Hymn. Wendy

O'Flaherty.Penguin. "

 

I think 'does not know' explains it all.

 

 

NirGuna is self explanatory--no gunas, no modes, no potentiality

even. Inexplicable!.......ONS..Tony.

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advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

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> advaitin , " Chittaranjan Naik "

> <chittaranjan_naik@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Shri Anandaji,

> >

> > advaitin , Ananda Wood <awood@> wrote:

> >

> > > In Shri Shankara's " aparokShAnubhUti " (116), there is

> > > an interesting description of non-dual realization --

 

 

SNIP

 

 

> NirGuna is self explanatory--no gunas, no modes, no potentiality

> even. Inexplicable!.......ONS..Tony.

>

 

NR writes:

 

And you would know that because.......?

 

Not Really

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advaitajnana , " Not Really "

<itneverreallyhappened wrote:

>

> advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> wrote:

> >

> > advaitin , " Chittaranjan Naik "

> > <chittaranjan_naik@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Shri Anandaji,

> > >

> > > advaitin , Ananda Wood <awood@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > In Shri Shankara's " aparokShAnubhUti " (116), there is

> > > > an interesting description of non-dual realization --

>

>

> SNIP

>

>

> > NirGuna is self explanatory--no gunas, no modes, no potentiality

> > even. Inexplicable!.......ONS..Tony.

> >

>

> NR writes:

>

> And you would know that because.......?

>

> Not Really

>

 

 

 

Because???????

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advaitajnana , " Not Really "

<itneverreallyhappened wrote:

>

> > SNIP

> >

> >

> > > NirGuna is self explanatory--no gunas, no modes, no

potentiality

> > > even. Inexplicable!.......ONS..Tony.

> > >

> >

> > NR writes:

> >

> > And you would know that because.......?

> >

> > Not Really

 

> Because???????

>

 

Namaste,

 

Because I am able to logically consider the question; 'where does

the world go on sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi...Tony

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advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

>

> advaitajnana , " Not Really "

> <itneverreallyhappened@> wrote:

> >

> > > SNIP

> > >

> > >

> > > > NirGuna is self explanatory--no gunas, no modes, no

> potentiality

> > > > even. Inexplicable!.......ONS..Tony.

> > > >

> > >

> > > NR writes:

> > >

> > > And you would know that because.......?

> > >

> > > Not Really

>

> > Because???????

> >

>

> Namaste,

>

> Because I am able to logically consider the question; 'where does

> the world go on sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi...>

 

It doesn't go anywhere. It's still right here.

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advaitajnana , " Not Really "

<itneverreallyhappened wrote:

>

> advaitajnana , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> wrote:

> >

> > advaitajnana , " Not Really "

> > <itneverreallyhappened@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > SNIP

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > NirGuna is self explanatory--no gunas, no modes, no

> > potentiality

> > > > > even. Inexplicable!.......ONS..Tony.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > NR writes:

> > > >

> > > > And you would know that because.......?

> > > >

> > > > Not Really

> >

> > > Because???????

> > >

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Because I am able to logically consider the question; 'where

does

> > the world go on sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi...> >

>

> It doesn't go anywhere. It's still right here.

>

Namaste.

 

This conversation is ended---read up on ajativada..Tony