Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 GuruRatings , " Durga " <durgaji108 wrote: > > GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste D, > > > > > > > It is also interesting that you would say that somebody in Sahaja > > Samadh is unaware of the existence of creation. > > Tony, > > I did not say that someone in Sahaja Samadhi is unaware of > the existence of the creation. I said that someone in > Nivekalpa Samadhi, where the mind is resolved in the Self, > is unaware of the creation. > > Someone in Sahaja Samadhi, is fully aware of the existence > of the creation. This state (sahaja samadhi) describes the > waking state of a jivan mukta. > > For the rest, Tony, I don't really care to argue with you. > I have only written down what I have been taught, and which > frankly makes a certain amount of sense to me. > > Since neither you nor I is a jivan mukta, statements > concerning what is or is not the experience of a mukta when > the body drops, are at best theoritical. Certainly even > statements we make about the experience of a jivan mukta while > alive, fall into the category of theory, since it is not the > direct experience of either of us. > > It seems to me, (and I could be totally wrong) that your > tenacious hold to the theory, 'that nothing ever happened' > may be some sort coping strategy, some sort of maha denial > of what actually 'has' happened to the jiva (individual) > known as Tony, which is too painful to deal with, other than > to say, 'it never happened.' > > I don't like the way people are pursuing you, and hurling > insults at you. I don't hold with picking up the scent > of blood, and running with the pack, as sometimes goes on > on lists, so I don't usually get involved in all of this. > > I wrote what I did to indicate that what you are saying > is not what is taught according to Advaita/Vedanta in the > tradition in which I study. I am sure that there are other > theories. > > Durga > Namaste, Durga, When I said unaware of creation, what I was saying was that it is impossible to be in Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samdhi and be unaware of creation for that is dualistic. In actual fact there is no creation to be aware of that is the whole point. There are different levels of Samdhi from 'With attributes' to 'without attributes'. Nirvikalpa is without attributes but is still like putting a bucket in a pond, it is fully emersed but when the bucket is pulled out it isn't immersed anymore. Sahaja or natural state the mind falls into the ocean without a bucket sot to speak. So in this state there is nothing to be aware of. For as Gaudapada says Maya and Creation disappear, (for they never existed in the first place). This is why eventually we have to give positions and ideas for they do not exist either. So it is not so much that I am holding to a theory but that I am not holding to anything. It all falls back to the fact that to the Mukta that drops the body the world and even its appearance has disappeared as 'never having happened'....ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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