Does the Jnani have a mind?

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GuruRatings , " Durga " <durgaji108 wrote:

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> GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> wrote:

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> > Namaste, Durga,

> snip

> >

> > There are different levels of Samdhi from 'With attributes'

> > to 'without attributes'. Nirvikalpa is without attributes but is

> > still like putting a bucket in a pond, it is fully emersed but

> when

> > the bucket is pulled out it isn't immersed anymore. Sahaja or

> > natural state the mind falls into the ocean without a bucket sot

> to

> > speak. So in this state there is nothing to be aware of. For as

> > Gaudapada says Maya and Creation disappear, (for they never

> existed

> > in the first place).

>

> snip

> ONS....Tony.

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> Tony, on this point you are absolutely wrong. Sahaja samadhi

> means the 'natural state,' and what that means is that

> the jnani operates fully in 'duality,' is fully aware of

> the creation, and is fully aware that whatever is 'happening'

> in the creation does not touch the Self which the jnani is.

>

> Otherwise, the jnani would not be able to function, and

> the jnani does function very well.

>

> I don't know how you have arrived at what you are saying.

>

> I think perhaps that you do not understand that the jnani's

> mind does not disappear. The jnani has thoughts just

> like everyone else. The jnani even has the 'I' thought,

> but that thought resolves properly in Brahman, which

> all 'I' thoughts actually label.

>

> But just because a thought resolves in Brahman, does

> not mean that the jnani's mind does not continue

> to operate. It certainly does. And this I have

> seen with my own eyes, and I have 'quizzed a jnani'

> on this point quite extensively. Thoughts arise

> in the jnani's mind, but the jnani knows these thoughts

> do not touch that Self which I am. Yet, a jnani still

> sees a chair as a chair, a table as a table, and functions

> fully in duality. Duality does not 'disappear.' However,

> the jnani also knows the Self of these

> objects (of this duality) and my Self are the same Self.

>

> Tony, I think you need to find a jnani, and have some

> serious talks with that person.

>

> Durga

>

Namaste,

 

I am fully aware the the Jnani operates in the appearance of

creation, with the non dualistic view of all being the Self. Where

did I say different?

 

Moksha means losing the ego, or the Ahamkara, but it doesn't mean

losing the kosas, obviously. The Vijnanamayakos mind is what

operates as the Jnanis mind, and this is a purified Buddhi so it

operates as the Universal. Of course a Jnani seem to think but that

is because even our minds are just whirlpools in the universal.

 

Most of which I speak came is gleaned from Ramana, by the way.

 

Again in Sahaja with the dropping of the body, it all disappears as

never having happened---Gaudapada says Maya disappears........

 

I don't think I need to search out a Jnani, there are only a handful

and hard to find.............ONS...Tony.